Changes to competition criteria

[MendieGK]

Sorry, i am about to rant but am interested in people views.

background - last year i won the scratch knockout at my club. This year there were limited entries into it (i was however one of them) so they decided to cancel it. Also, due to injury i was unable play in our club champs this year.

yesterday i went to the club and saw that the draw had been made for the top 16 from the CC to play matchplay for the scratch KO trophy. This decision was made despite the fact some people had originally entered the competition in its usual format

Am i right to feel agrieved that i will not be given the opportunity to defend my title? I am more than happy for them to change the format, but feel that in the transition year the top 15 (from the CC) + me should be playing for it especially as i entered the event in its original format.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I'd be a bit miffed. It should be you as winner last year and 15 from the club champs if that is how they want to do it

 

[MendieGK]

I'd be a bit miffed. It should be you as winner last year and 15 from the club champs if that is how they want to do it

I actually think it should be like that every year. although 99% of the time the scratch KO champion would probably make the top 16.

 

[AmandaJR]

Yep I'd be unhappy in your shoes and also if I'd entered the original competition too. If they want to change the qualification for the k/o then decide this year for next and this year either keep it as cancelled, run it with few entries or run it with top 16 plus those that originally wanted to play and supprt the competition...

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I actually think it should be like that every year. although 99% of the time the scratch KO champion would probably make the top 16.

Indeed

 

[MendieGK]

i am glad initial opinions are that my annoyance is justified.

 

[Foxholer]

So let me get this right.

They ask for entries for a comp but get too few entries so cancel it.

Then they decide to impose a comp on 16 folk who may or may not want to play in it - some obviously declined to enter the original comp after all!

Committee-itis strikes again!!!

And yes, I believe you are right to be aggrieved.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I have never heard of a club scratch championship where the previous year's winner is automatically entered.
He/she must have to qualify or meet the qualification standard [handicap] for that year.

Sounds a bit like sour grapes to me.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Sounds to me almost as if two seperate competitions have been amalgamated into one? My home club has a scratch KO and also one where the top x number from CC also go into a KO. Some clubs also play their CC as medal then top so many into KO to decide the champion.

Sour grapes.....get over it. I'll buy you a beer at Saunton to ease the pain

 

[smange]

I have never heard of a club scratch championship where the previous year's winner is automatically entered.
He/she must have to qualify or meet the qualification standard [handicap] for that year.

Sounds a bit like sour grapes to me.

Don't think your reading the OP correctly if that's your opinion

He entered the comp, then the comp was cancelled due to lack of interest, then the committee decided to re-instate the comp but to impose qualifying conditions based on results from a different comp, which may or may not include a few members who did not want to play in the comp originally!

And you don't think he is right to be a bit peeved?

I think the OP is wholly justified to be annoyed at not being given the chance play in the comp regardless of being the holder or not, you simply can't change comp qualifying/entry criteria at your will and expect members to be happy.

So what happens if some of the qualifiers don't want to play?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Don't think your reading the OP correctly if that's your opinion

He entered the comp, then the comp was cancelled due to lack of interest, then the committee decided to re-instate the comp but to impose qualifying conditions based on results from a different comp, which may or may not include a few members who did not want to play in the comp originally!

And you don't think he is right to be a bit peeved?

I think the OP is wholly justified to be annoyed at not being given the chance play in the comp regardless of being the holder or not, you simply can't change comp qualifying/entry criteria at your will and expect members to be happy.

So what happens if some of the qualifiers don't want to play?

But you could also argue that this is a new and completely different competition and therefore has different entry criteria? Just because they are both scratch KO format doesn't make them the same competition. As described above, my club has 2 scratch KO comps with completely different entries.

But back to the OP, if his club has introduced this new comp then based on the circumstances I do think he should have been given the opportunity to enter.

 

[MendieGK]

Sounds to me almost as if two seperate competitions have been amalgamated into one? My home club has a scratch KO and also one where the top x number from CC also go into a KO. Some clubs also play their CC as medal then top so many into KO to decide the champion.

Sour grapes.....get over it. I'll buy you a beer at Saunton to ease the pain

I'll take you up on that whilst we are sat in the bar waiting for the thunder and lightning to clear!

 

[bladeplayer]

2 points from me

(1) I dont think the holder has any right to automaticaly qualify to be honest , transition year or not, at least no more right than anyone else that was on the original list

(2) i understand you being disappointed that having entered the original competition and it being cancelled that it is then held and possibly competed for by people who didnt put their names down on the original list ..

Sounds like an under thought out knee jerk reaction to the original being under subscribed ..

Id be peeved on the 2nd point but not the 1st

 

[Simbo]

Yep, I think you have every right to be a bit peed off mate! So I'm guessing they never contacted you to ask if you still wanted to play in it as you were one of the original entrants???

 

[chrisd]

I would be as unhappy as you. Clubs do some stupid things!

 

[Hobbit]

So, potentially, the winner of this year's scratch knockout isn't the best scratch knockout player because the club have restricted the entry... <shakes head and walks away chuckling>

 

[Foxholer]

There may be 1 possible 'getout' for the Committee and that would be if the was an existing Matchplay comp involving the top 16 from CCs - and they had announced that that was how the KO Cup would be decided when they cancelled the original.

That would have given you the opportunity to enter/qualify for them. I wouldn't expect the previous winner to have automatic qualification in that case.

I'm still backing my Committee-itis theory though - even just lack of communication. It lets hem avoid the embarrassing 'No Competition' entry on what is quite possibly a 'Board' comp.

Would be worthwhile seeing how many of the 1st round matches get conceded!

If the matchplay subsequent to CCs was new, I would have thought that, for the transition, the original KO entrants should be contacted to confirm whether they wanted to enter, then top up to 16 from the Club Champs - or even a combination of both.

 

[Fader]

Certainly don't think previous winners should have automatic entry to a comp, but do think its a bit of a swiz by the committee to cancel the comp then re-instate it under different criteria if they hadn't publically announced intentions.

If they put it out there that due to under subscription of the comp they'd be changing the format to what is now and that you had to play in the CC to qualify then I don't think there is any right to feel aggrieved about it as its not the clubs fault the OP couldn't play in the CC.

Its all about communication if it was announced & made public knowledge beforehand then fair enough feel a bit annoyed about not being able to enter but no way is defending champ auto criteria imo! On the other hand if they did announce it regardless of whether you saw the notice then for me its a case of tough!

 

[G1BB0]

Pro's get exe,ptions for high finishes/winning so why shouldnt an amateur! I would feel aggrieved too

 

[RGDave]

It's not on....really.

If you won it last year, doesn't matter if you were 1st or last in the CC, you should be eligible.

Disgusted of Chippenham.

You won't get anywhere though......(not normally)....