Censorship in No.10(what next)?

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So who's behind this apparently shambolic attempt at cherry-picking who to talk to as being 'on our side with the message'
Johnson?Nah dos'nt have the I.Q.but is certainly petty enough!
Cummings?Most probably,certainly anarchic enough and seems to hate all sorts of organised structured organisation(Civil Service for one)but seems a bit of 'My way or The highway'
Bit of a control mania??
The massive intellect from across the pond(after all someone called him a genius-but he can't remember who it was,hmmmm)??
What next I wonder--a bit Orwellian methinks?!?
Very pleased to see that they all walked out in support/disgust at the selective 'You stay-You go'the media were hit with(would love to have seen the blood on the walls if Andrew Neil had been there?
Jimbo
 
toyboy54 said:
So who's behind this apparently shambolic attempt at cherry-picking who to talk to as being 'on our side with the message'
Johnson?Nah dos'nt have the I.Q.but is certainly petty enough!
Cummings?Most probably,certainly anarchic enough and seems to hate all sorts of organised structured organisation(Civil Service for one)but seems a bit of 'My way or The highway'
Bit of a control mania??
The massive intellect from across the pond(after all someone called him a genius-but he can't remember who it was,hmmmm)??
What next I wonder--a bit Orwellian methinks?!?
Very pleased to see that they all walked out in support/disgust at the selective 'You stay-You go'the media were hit with(would love to have seen the blood on the walls if Andrew Neil had been there?
Jimbo
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There is another version of this. Certain journo's were invited - were they picked because they are Tory supporting? Probably, but I digress. Certain journo's were invited but others, on hearing there was to be a press conference, also turned up uninvited. They were, quite rightly, refused entry, and some of the invited journo's walked out crying censorship.

If someone turned up uninvited, and said they were a journo, how should #10 deal with it? Accept it on face value? Run round trying to prove their credentials? How would you deal with gatecrashers? Personally, I think #10 got it spot on.
 
toyboy54 said:
So who's behind this apparently shambolic attempt at cherry-picking who to talk to as being 'on our side with the message'
Johnson?Nah dos'nt have the I.Q.but is certainly petty enough!
Cummings?Most probably,certainly anarchic enough and seems to hate all sorts of organised structured organisation(Civil Service for one)but seems a bit of 'My way or The highway'
Bit of a control mania??
The massive intellect from across the pond(after all someone called him a genius-but he can't remember who it was,hmmmm)??
What next I wonder--a bit Orwellian methinks?!?
Very pleased to see that they all walked out in support/disgust at the selective 'You stay-You go'the media were hit with(would love to have seen the blood on the walls if Andrew Neil had been there?
Jimbo
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It certainly needs investigating and clearing up, I’ve no issue with selected briefings if done for genuine reasons, they claimed it was for “Special Senior Journalists” but when that list is revealed you see the S** is invited and papers like The Mirror, The Independent etc are excluded it smells of political bias.

No 10 got stick last week when it came out he has his own production people now to film & produce press briefings (His brexit speech was one) previously these have been done by one of the Networks.

Also rumours of cummings going after the BBC License Fee.

Ministers banned from Radio 4 Today Show, boycotting Good Morning Britain on ITV.

Certainly looks like they are taking part of the media on.
 
Bearing in mind pretty much all media outlets are biased and, in the main, put a slant on everything. News is spun and opinionized, rarely reported as just the bare facts just what do we expect any organisation to do when they face the prospect of negative reports?

Are we being naïve in believing every news organisation should be invited? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer all the outlets to be there but only if they were going to report the news, not their opinionized version of it. Equally, by only inviting certain outlets it perpetuates a biased spin. It appears to be a no-win situation.

As for the govt appear to be taking on the media; are they? Really?
 
Hobbit said:
There is another version of this. Certain journo's were invited - were they picked because they are Tory supporting? Probably, but I digress. Certain journo's were invited but others, on hearing there was to be a press conference, also turned up uninvited. They were, quite rightly, refused entry, and some of the invited journo's walked out crying censorship.

If someone turned up uninvited, and said they were a journo, how should #10 deal with it? Accept it on face value? Run round trying to prove their credentials? How would you deal with gatecrashers? Personally, I think #10 got it spot on.
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I don't think lobby journos will be walking around without credentials, and given that it's a very small community there would be no question of 'unknowns'. I think in this instance you're being too kind.
The reaction of those that were invited speaks volumes.
 
pendodave said:
They are not "any organisation", they are the government of this country. Being held to account by the 4th estate is an important part of our unwritten Constitution. There are precious few other checks on our current parliamentary dictatorship....
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its looking more and more that Cumming and Johnson think "1984" is a manual for Government rather than a work of fiction:cry:
 
pendodave said:
I don't think lobby journos will be walking around without credentials, and given that it's a very small community there would be no question of 'unknowns'. I think in this instance you're being too kind.
The reaction of those that were invited speaks volumes.
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Do you know they were lobby journos, and do you know they weren't unknowns? I may well be being too kind but are you making assumptions?

pendodave said:
They are not "any organisation", they are the government of this country. Being held to account by the 4th estate is an important part of our unwritten Constitution. There are precious few other checks on our current parliamentary dictatorship....
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I agree but with the proviso that the 4th estate should be unbiased. Do I want biased reporting? No, and that includes from govt biased news outlets. As I said, "its a no-win" situation.
 
Picking favourable journalists has always gone on, and with everything in society it is just being pushed further and further in little increments in the hope that we don't notice the long term shift. And at every little incremental change there will always be an excuse or reason why they have done something which people will believe or not mostly depending on their political leanings.

I think Bojo's reluctance to face Andrew Neil spoke volumes, they have made a calculation that he is not great when facing probing questions and they don't need to put him in those situations to win elections. In a way that's societies fault for letting them, you can't blame them that much for trying it on as we have passed the point where things that used to be valued by the public when chosing our leaders are not important anymore. And they all have a desperate quest for political power and will push the envelope as much as possible to get there. So they will use their favourable journalists/bloggers/targeted advertising to get their spin out and they are getting better at it. I am sure Labour would do much the same, it's modern media management, try and cut out as many people who properly scrutinise your message i.e some journalists and use favourable journalists or go directly to the public instead.

Still all is not lost as the public can ask some pretty incisive questions and really hold our leaders to account
https://twitter.com/x/status/1220086793434996736
 
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Hobbit..interesting reading,but can't accept all your reasoning
Hacker Khan..Well put and would agree with all your points(loved the twitter feed)
Patricks148,,,lot of new possibilities in there(I did allude to this).
Pauldj42..agree with you as well.
So where is the Russia Report??..What's he (and Cummings) afraid of??(I'm maybe being a but paranoid but life is imitating art here but I'm reading the book The Case Against Big Tech by Rana Croohar--which explains /amongst others,Russias extensive use of computer bots,fake news and slanting views on virtually everything that came up in the election)Subliminal programming perhaps???maybe not as far fetched as we think.
Don't forget though!!!You're never alone with Schitzophrenia!(sp,)
Jimbo
 
toyboy54 said:
Hobbit..interesting reading,but can't accept all your reasoning
Hacker Khan..Well put and would agree with all your points(loved the twitter feed)
Patricks148,,,lot of new possibilities in there(I did allude to this).
Pauldj42..agree with you as well.
So where is the Russia Report??..What's he (and Cummings) afraid of??(I'm maybe being a but paranoid but life is imitating art here but I'm reading the book The Case Against Big Tech by Rana Croohar--which explains /amongst others,Russias extensive use of computer bots,fake news and slanting views on virtually everything that came up in the election)Subliminal programming perhaps???maybe not as far fetched as we think.
Don't forget though!!!You're never alone with Schitzophrenia!(sp,)
Jimbo
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Some unfortunately will look to make excuses and some will simply deflect on to how other parties do it or Country etc.

It’s still wrong by all of them and needs highlighting were possible, the influence by the likes of cummings is worse than ever and regardless of whether he’s the first or last of his type, it needs bringing to the public’s attention.
 
Of course it may just be possible that the Government is fed up with the political 'personalty' correspondents deciding to make themselves the news for career enhancement and because they think the public is stupid and need them to tell us what was said.

At least I can get to hear what the contents were, in context, rather than a selected and edited version; I can then make up my OWN mind what to accept and what to suspect.
 
Oh dear! Seems like the wet weather is keeping people off the golf course so they are spending the time on their hands inventing conspiritory theories. 1984 is shunted into 2020 ? Worm tongue Cummings has Boris under his spell ? Russians under the bed ? The Andrew Marr or was it Neal Spectre ? Freedom of the press finished ?

Try going down the pub for a few hours, burn your truss, let it all hang out and remeber the world's your oyster ?

I quite liked Boris's talk, very inspirational ?
 
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drdel said:
Of course it may just be possible that the Government is fed up with the political 'personalty' correspondents deciding to make themselves the news for career enhancement and because they think the public is stupid and need them to tell us what was said.

At least I can get to hear what the contents were, in context, rather than a selected and edited version; I can then make up my OWN mind what to accept and what to suspect.
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Laura Kuenssberg and Robert Peston were let in and they are commonly seen as the political personality correspondents nowadays. So if they were fed up with that type of approach then they chose the wrong people to exclude. Plus I suspect if the government are specifically excluding some papers then you will hear less and less about the 'contents in context' as you will be hearing a government approved version.
 
SocketRocket said:
Oh dear! Seems like the wet weather is keeping people off the golf course so they are spending the time on their hands inventing conspiritory theories. 1984 is shunted into 2020 ? Worm tongue Cummings has Boris under his spell ? Russians under the bed ? The Andrew Marr or was it Neal Spectre ? Freedom of the press finished ?

Try going down the pub for a few hours, burn your truss, let it all hang out, the world is your oyster ?

I quite liked Boris's talk, very inspirational ?
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Oh look, another thread were you’ve added nothing but trolling.
You win again. I’m out of this one.:poop:
 
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