card marking and lost ball

[mickytwodesks]

Morning all,

Now that i'm a member of a club i'm after an official handicap. Can anyone run through how marking a card works when i want to hand it in towards my handicap? i have met a couple of lads at the club who would be willing to sign my card but i'm not sure how it all works? do they mark my scores for the hole and then sign it or do i mark it and then ask then to sign?

Also up until now i have always taken a drop near to where i have lost a ball (in order to avoid slow play). If i'm playing strictly to the rules and i lose a ball do i actually have to retake the shot from the 1st ball spot? so if its lost off the tee i should retake the tee shot?

Cheers

Mike

 

[USER1999]

If you lose it off the tee, yes, you have to replay the tee shot. This is why if you think you will lose it, you play a provisional.

Other than the tee shot, if you lose a ball you have to go back to where you last played from, so again, provisionals are a good idea.

Marking the card is easy. You fill out the top bit, give it to one of your partners, who scores your score in column A. At the end, he signs it as the marker, and you sign it as the player. Put it in the box, done.

 

[mickytwodesks]

Cheers Murph,

just to check, i like to take notes, log my shots and putts on my score card when i play. if someone else is keeping my score would i be expected to keep their score or could i also carry a card to log all the above (just for my records)?

Also if i play a provisional after thinking a tee shot could be lost and come across both balls as i'm walking down the fairway, which should i play my next shot with?

 

[Doh]

Mike

If you are having marking a card for handicap make sure the person marking the card has a valid handicap themselves from the club. they have to put your scores down not you. make sure you date the card and write on it "For Handicap Purpose" make sure Both you and the marker check and sign the card afterwards. You need to hand in three cards to be assessed i recommend you keep all three untill you can hand them all in at the same time.

As for taking a drop? you need to look up the rules for this as there are different one's that apply for losing a Ball O.B say to losing one in a hassard or abnormal ground conditions.

You have my number give me a ring if i can help.

 

[USER1999]

If you find the first ball, that is always the ball in play, unless you have gone 'over time' on looking for it, at which point you would have to play the other one.

You would have to mark their card (unless it is not a comp, and they are not keeping their score), but there is nothing to stop you carrying as many cards as you like, and filling them in as you wish, providing it doesn't delay play.

 

[TWM]

Yesterday I hit my first tee shot into some bushes. My partners and I had difficulty finding it and I returned to the tee to play another when my partners found the ball and urged me to return and play it. At this the people on the tee insisted that, as I had walked away from the search, I had deemed the ball lost and therefor had to play the new ball.
I acceded to this and hit the best tee shot for a year.
Ended up with a 10.

 

[Tommo21]

As soon as you deem the ball lost and walk back, thats it. The original ball, if found, no longer is the ball in play. Always play a provisional if you have any doubt about where your first ball went. It saves time, saves the walk back and it puts much less pressure on you when you hit the provisional shot. Clearly tell you’re playing partners that you’re hitting a provisional and tell them the ball identity and I personally make sure it’s a different ID to the original ball. Oh, I always tell my playing partners to stop looking for the ball as soon as I deem it lost. Nothing worse than finding the ball after that.

If you’ re playing a links course and you hit the ball onto the beach, you cant hit a provisional ball, the rules are different but I’ll not start to complicate things too much.

 

[muttleee]

As soon as you deem the ball lost and walk back, thats it. The original ball, if found, no longer is the ball in play.

I'm afraid that's totally wrong. You can't deem a ball lost just by saying it is. If you walk away from a ball and your partner/opponent finds it within the standard 5 minutes and before you play a new ball, it's still the ball in play.

The definition of a lost ball is clear under the rules:

A ball is deemed “lost” if:

a. It is not found or identified as his by the player within five minutes after the player’s side or his or their caddies have begun to searchfor it; or

b. The player has made a stroke at a provisional ball from the place where the original ball is likely to be or from a point nearer the hole than that place (see Rule 27-2b); or

c. The player has put another ball into play under penalty of stroke and distance (see Rule 27-la); or

d. The player has put another ball into play because it is known or virtually certain that the ball, which has not been found, has been moved by an outside agency (see Rule 18-1), is in an obstruction (see Rule 24-3), is in an abnormal ground condition (see Rule 25-1c) or is in a water hazard (see Rule 26-1); or

e. The player has made a stroke at a substituted ball.

As you can see, there is nothing there that says you can verbally deem a ball lost. That's because you can't.

 

[Tommo21]

Yes you’re right and I didn’t make myself clear if you walk back to hit another shot I’m assuming you’ve searched for the allocated time. If someone finds the ball after that you cant come back and play it. That’s why I made it clear to tell them to stop looking as it’s of no use after that.