Can someone show me proof you can still get cut with an N/R

[turkish]

had a discussion with PP last night and he was adamant that an N/R means an automatic 0.1.

I said it wasn't I got 35 points but N/R'd 2 holes but would still be in buffer.

I told him you can even get cut with N/R but don't think he believed me- Trying to find a link with it to show him but can't find anything on it.

 

[NWJocko]

Are you talking at cross purposes?

If you N/R from the comp, i.e. no score recorded then you get 0.1.

If you N/R only on particular hole(s) but record the other scores then they are adjusted to net doubles and you're handicap worked out accordingly

 

[Hosel Fade]

You can even get cut with a DQ under certain circumstances.

http://www.congu.com/2016 CONGU Manual - Final version.pdf

page 91 for the DQ stuff, an NR would just be adjusted by making any holes not completed into net double bogeys, exactly the same as if the hole were finished properly in lets say 9 strokes.

 

[MendieGK]

i've found this -

The purpose of the Stableford adjustment is to place a limit on the maximum score that can be recorded at any hole in order to make handicaps more representative of a player’s potential ability.This control is for handicap purposes only. It has been introduced to lessen the impact of the occasional ‘bad’ score on a player’s Stroke Play return and to reduce the incidence of ‘No Returns’ that can, on occasions, represent an undesirable proportion of the competition entry.

It also allows a player who does not complete a hole, for any reason, to continue to record a score for handicap purposes, thus sustaining his golfing interest and at the same time providing useful handicap information. It is important that competitors are made aware of the intent of this clause and encouraged to take advantage of it.

 

[turkish]

Are you talking at cross purposes?

If you N/R from the comp, i.e. no score recorded then you get 0.1.

If you N/R only on particular hole(s) but record the other scores then they are adjusted to net doubles and you're handicap worked out accordingly

Yes meant N/R on particular holes as mentioned 35 points still buffer zone

 

[MendieGK]

http://www.congu.com/DRAFT CONGU MANUAL 2016.pdf

 

[delc]

had a discussion with PP last night and he was adamant that an N/R means an automatic 0.1.

I said it wasn't I got 35 points but N/R'd 2 holes but would still be in buffer.

I told him you can even get cut with N/R but don't think he believed me- Trying to find a link with it to show him but can't find anything on it.

Yes of course you can get a handicap adjustment both up or down with a N/R, even in a medal. The handicapping system is based on Stableford points anyway, with any big scores or uncompleted holes counted as a nett double bogey.

 

[MendieGK]

Are you talking at cross purposes?

If you N/R from the comp, i.e. no score recorded then you get 0.1.

If you N/R only on particular hole(s) but record the other scores then they are adjusted to net doubles and you're handicap worked out accordingly

Both are still classed as an NR for a competition medal though so doesnt make any difference. Some people will just put 0 on every hole on the PSI machine (not knowing the could still make a buffer etc), whereas some people will enter 17 scores.

 

[virtuocity]

I've been cut 3 times with an N/R.

Cuts are made based on stableford points.

Medals are won by best net score.

So, you could be sitting on 37 points on the 18th tee, before losing 20 balls in a row and N/Ring. Cut given, out of the comp.

 

[Curls]

Second hole monthly medal and I lost a ball miles from the tee in light rough, we couldn't understand where it went, must have sat down in a rabbit hole or something. The bases were loaded and rather than walk back I just N/R'd the hole, something I'd never done before and not done since. Played beautifully from there in, I think I was 3 over gross from 3 - 18. Got cut, but came last in the Medal with an N/R result.

So yes, you can get cut n/ring

 

[delc]

Second hole monthly medal and I lost a ball miles from the tee in light rough, we couldn't understand where it went, must have sat down in a rabbit hole or something. The bases were loaded and rather than walk back I just N/R'd the hole, something I'd never done before and not done since. Played beautifully from there in, I think I was 3 over gross from 3 - 18. Got cut, but came last in the Medal with an N/R result.

So yes, you can get cut n/ring

A member at my previous club scored a nett 75 in a medal after taking 15 on the 18th hole. He didn't win the medal, but he still got a substantial handicap cut!

 

[ScienceBoy]

I've almost won a comp with an NR.

Lost ball on the second, a par 3 with no shot. Didn't finish the hole.

Scored 41 points and finished second by 1.

It's up on HDID somewhere under my old club, back in 2011. I probably even posted on here about it.

 

[DCB]

I've almost won a comp with an NR.

Lost ball on the second, a par 3 with no shot. Didn't finish the hole.

Scored 41 points and finished second by 1.

It's up on HDID somewhere under my old club, back in 2011. I probably even posted on here about it.

I take it that it was a stableford comp then.

 

[rksquire]

So, a shockingly bad hole or 2 in stroke play doesn't necessarily mean 0.1? (but does mean you will be down the rankings)

Is this right: Player A, Stroke Play, Par 72, on the day CSS 72, handicap 10

Plays each hole 1-17 to Par (68 Gross), but has a shocker on the 18th (no shot)and takes 18 stokes....

so finishes 86 Gross, net 76, +4. Player A expects 0.1, but could actually get a cut because in the handicapping system he actually gets a 6 for the 18th, giving him for handicap purposes a 74 net, 8 shots lower than his handicap allowance so rather than 0.1 he'll actually get cut by 1.6..... is this right!?

 

[Curls]

So, a shockingly bad hole or 2 in stroke play doesn't necessarily mean 0.1? (but does mean you will be down the rankings)

Is this right: Player A, Stroke Play, Par 72, on the day CSS 72, handicap 10

Plays each hole 1-17 to Par (68 Gross), but has a shocker on the 18th (no shot)and takes 18 stokes....

so finishes 86 Gross, net 76, +4. Player A expects 0.1, but could actually get a cut because in the handicapping system he actually gets a 6 for the 18th, giving him for handicap purposes a 74 net, 8 shots lower than his handicap allowance so rather than 0.1 he'll actually get cut by 1.6..... is this right!?

Correct, think it's called Clause 19 but I could be wrong.

 

[MendieGK]

effectively yes!

Put it this way, i played with someone in a mens open on saturday, he was off 4. He had a 10 on a par 4 and a 7 on a par 3.

they got changed to a 6 (par 4) and a 5 (par 3).

he got cut .2

 

[pbrown7582]

So, a shockingly bad hole or 2 in stroke play doesn't necessarily mean 0.1? (but does mean you will be down the rankings)

Is this right: Player A, Stroke Play, Par 72, on the day CSS 72, handicap 10

Plays each hole 1-17 to Par (68 Gross), but has a shocker on the 18th (no shot)and takes 18 stokes....

so finishes 86 Gross, net 76, +4. Player A expects 0.1, but could actually get a cut because in the handicapping system he actually gets a 6 for the 18th, giving him for handicap purposes a 74 net, 8 shots lower than his handicap allowance so rather than 0.1 he'll actually get cut by 1.6..... is this right!?

yes it is, part of the reason behind it is in your scenario the player finds out he cant win the comp so protects his h/cap on 18 so he can win the next comp.

 

[delc]

Correct, think it's called Clause 19 but I could be wrong.

We are talking about automatic handicap adjustments here. You can have your handicap adjusted by your handicap committee for general play, but I think this is now clause 23.