Caddies sue PGA Tour

See your point but they don't work for the pga.They work for the golfer that employ,s them. do they want money off taylormade and the like because they carry their bags.People like John Deere sponser the tournament so should have their names over everything.
 
A lot of caddies get a lot of money already - they also sort out their own sponsership with the manufacterer that their golfer uses.
 
It seems a typical American "sue for anything and everything" culture!

The caddies, as has been said, work for the players, so I cant see that wesring a bib with the sponsors name on as well as the players name is anything other than the responsibility of their employer ie the player. They do however earn from the sponsor in as much as the prize money/expenses they pick up is directly from the sponsors prize fund to the player and then to all the players employees including the caddies. Without the sponsors name being plastered everywhere, their cut from the players winnings would be hugely less, as the sponsors would not support the events so generously

I think the action is doomed to fail!
 
Are they employees of the players though? I thought they were all self employed (with agreements when working with a certain player but still self employed)
 
They are hired by the players - when they have a caddy its a contract between player and caddy.
 
Slab said:
Do you mean hired as in their employment status

I can hire a plumber but he's not my employee for tax/NI purposes
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No idea how they work it out for tax purposes

But they aren't emoloyed by the PGA Tour
 
I think they might have a point if the sponsors and PGA stipulated that they have to wear the advertising to be allowed to work.
 
Doh said:
I think they might have a point if the sponsors and PGA stipulated that they have to wear the advertising to be allowed to work.
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I can't see that, if you work in Sainsburys you have to display their logo on your workwear.

Also the caddy gets his pay from the pool of money given by the sponsors and are therefore are being paid, albeit indirectly, for advertising
 
chrisd said:
I can't see that, if you work in Sainsburys you have to display their logo on your workwear.

Also the caddy gets his pay from the pool of money given by the sponsors and are therefore are being paid, albeit indirectly, for advertising
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That's not the same though. If you work in Sainsbury's then you work for them. This is more like a local business man delivering goods to Sainsburys and having to wear all their gear to be able to do so.

Personally I see that it's the players choice to enter the competition and if part of the stipulation of entry is that they have their caddies wear logo'd work wear then that's something they have agreed to. The only party that the caddies can have a disagreement with should be their direct employer which is the player.
 
Duckster said:
Personally I see that it's the players choice to enter the competition and if part of the stipulation of entry is that they have their caddies wear logo'd work wear then that's something they have agreed to. The only party that the caddies can have a disagreement with should be their direct employer which is the player.
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Summed it up beautifully.
 
Poor caddies having to take a leak in a portaloo. Jesus wept, like this sport needs to come across any more upper class. Try taking a trip to a third world country and seeing where they have to p*ss.
 
chrisd said:
It seems a typical American "sue for anything and everything" culture!

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I think the action is doomed to fail!
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There is a lot to be said for this sort of action - though there have clearly been some corruptions of the process by those with vested interests (the lawyers!). Someone takes a view/makes a policy; someone disputes it; an independent body makes a binding decision; that decision becomes precedent for future similar disputes. Unfortunately, the US system tends to go directly to suit as opposed to arbitration - or at least, that's the way it appears - and the major beneficiaries are the lawyers!

Did either party benefit from the Horizon/McIlroy dispute?

However, wrt the Caddie claim, I suspect that Caddies will be paid a fee by the PGA for acting as walking billboards. A certain high-profile caddie used to whip his bib off at the earliest opportunity so that his personal sponsor's name (Valvoline) could be given as much publicity as possible! There should be no consideration by the Tour for other benefits - that's totally down to the Caddie and the contract between him and the player and most of them have deals with the player's major club, and probably a sunglass, sponsor!
 
Players pay the caddies on a per tournament basis with a small wage along with a percentage
of their winnings.

If a player doesn't play then the caddie gets nothing.
If a player, plays and misses the cut the caddies get nothing.
At some tournaments they get vouchers for the burger van.
They are not allowed in the clubhouse in S/Africa, Portugal and so on.
From this small wage they still have to fork out for travel and digs.

A caddie mate once told me that he can go to his work for two weeks and come home with less
money than he started with.

Yes, some caddies can make a decent living out of golf but most don't.

As the caddie works for the player and has no connection to the sponsor then they should
either be paid for advertising or allowed to not wear the bib.

Or let the players wear the bib.
 
Tommo21 said:
Is that not the point though.....they are part of the tour. Paid by the player yes, but part of the tour.
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But the tour dont provide healthcare and pension plans for the players ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But the tour dont provide healthcare and pension plans for the players ?
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I think the main point is the sponsors bibs, bibs that the caddies must use. The PGA tour earn lots from these bibs. What better way for the main sponsors than to have the guys standing next to the pros advertising their product. Caddies get paid by their pros but the PGA use these guys to make money for the PGA...............I think they have a good case. Think about it, If they were not wearing bibs last week, then told they had to wear them in order for the PGA to bring in 50 million dollars, would you not be wondering who's the walking billboard and who's taking in the money.
 
Tommo21 said:
I think the main point is the sponsors bibs, bibs that the caddies must use. The PGA tour earn lots from these bibs. What better way for the main sponsors than to have the guys standing next to the pros advertising their product. Caddies get paid by their pros but the PGA use these guys to make money for the PGA...............I think they have a good case. Think about it, If they were not wearing bibs last week, then told they had to wear them in order for the PGA to bring in 50 million dollars, would you not be wondering who's the walking billboard and who's taking in the money.
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The bibs are part of the whole sponsership package which goes towards prize money for the player - the players dont get money unless they earn it through performance - so should be the same as caddies - they gain sponsership from clothing or footwear.

sorry but dont think they have a case at all
 
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