Boxing/UFC 2018-25

[Swango1980]

Anyone thinking Joshua needs the money, Google his net worth. Then decide whether or not he could afford to turn it down.

(I'll give you a clue, he doesn't need this)

Not sure anybody has claimed Joshua NEEDS the money?

That is usually irrelevant when there is a chance to make lots of extra money though.

 

[Swango1980]

Very true but the point stands you cannot say everyone will take it. You can’t factually prove it so therefore it’s a generalisation to try and make a point more relevant which has no basis in truth.

Perhaps some wouldn't. But it is also true to say that of all the boxers who are critical of Joshua, it is a fair assumption to still say many of them would jump at the chance to earn $50 million if offered to them

Prince Naseem is 51 years old and hasn't fought in over 2 decades. Easy for him to take the moral high ground. Bet Joshua could say the same when he is in his 50's.

However, ask the flamboyant showman Prince Naseem when he was in his early to mid 30's, back end of his career, if he'd do it, I wouldn't be shocked if he'd be well up for it. Cartwheel into the ring for tens of millions.

 

[Orikoru]

I’m someone who pays for big boxing PPV’s. However, I got into boxing in the late 80’s/early 90’s when it was shown on terrestrial tv. The big fights attracted huge tv audiences. Sky and then PPV drastically changed who could and would watch.

The Netflix involvement in Joshua v Paul (and Tyson v Paul) is interesting. 60% of UK households apparently have a Netflix subscription, so it will be available at no extra cost to them. Latest figures I could find suggested about 35% of households had Sky subscriptions - though I suspect this is outdated. But if the majority have access to Netflix - this event is essentially free to them. It would be interesting to see if Netflix build off the Paul connection and move more into boxing and other sporting events (they do have rights to WWE…). It wouldn’t quite replicate terrestrial tv but would raise the profile/viewership compared to PPV.

There does seem to be a tactic being explored by subscription based streaming channels. UFC is moving to being shown on Paramount and moving away from PPV (at least in the USA).

In some ways I don't really understand what's in it for Netflix. Most people have Netflix already. Are there really going to be many people purchasing it just for this boxing match? Can't see a lot of benefit for them in buying the rights to it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not sure anybody has claimed Joshua NEEDS the money?

That is usually irrelevant when there is a chance to make lots of extra money though.

If you already have £100m+ then a carrot of another £40m is not that big a deal. He hasn't made a choice that is necessary to protect his family for the future, they are already protected. It's a money grab that isn't necessary. That's fine, but then you have to accept the criticism that will come with it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It’s easy money for Joshua , it shouldn’t even be as testing as a decent sparring session - more fool the people who are giving them the money and enabling the likes of Paul

 

[Swango1980]

If you already have £100m+ then a carrot of another £40m is not that big a deal. He hasn't made a choice that is necessary to protect his family for the future, they are already protected. It's a money grab that isn't necessary. That's fine, but then you have to accept the criticism that will come with it.

I don't think he cares too much about the criticism. I'm sure if he is asked directly, he'll respond. But he probably doesn't come on many platforms like Golf Monthly to find out what people think of him.

The amount of money one has in their bank is irrelevant. Otherwise the likes of Elon Musk would have stopped after he made a few million quid. if Joshua was in his mid 20's with ambitions to be the greatest heavyweight of all time, maybe he'd make a different decision. But, in his mid 30's, with disappointing bouts behind him, taking this fight seems a no brainer to me. Joshua got plenty of criticism when he was a bog standard boxer, so he might as well make tens of millions while getting criticised.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't think he cares too much about the criticism. I'm sure if he is asked directly, he'll respond. But he probably doesn't come on many platforms like Golf Monthly to find out what people think of him.

The amount of money one has in their bank is irrelevant. Otherwise the likes of Elon Musk would have stopped after he made a few million quid. if Joshua was in his mid 20's with ambitions to be the greatest heavyweight of all time, maybe he'd make a different decision. But, in his mid 30's, with disappointing bouts behind him, taking this fight seems a no brainer to me. Joshua got plenty of criticism when he was a bog standard boxer, so he might as well make tens of millions while getting criticised.

I think the wider boxing community have piled in, his reputation in boxing takes the hit. If that doesn't bother him, that's fine. He can sit in his castle counting his money. Just accept that his credibility will be shot, unnecessarily.

I think we are viewing this in a different way. You are still calling it a fight, most people view it as an exhibition.

 

[irip]

Anyone thinking Joshua needs the money, Google his net worth. Then decide whether or not he could afford to turn it down.

(I'll give you a clue, he doesn't need this)

I don’t know anybody who would turn down £50 Million just for doing there job (some might say an easier version of their job).

10 rounds instead of the normal 12.
Inferior opponent.
Loads more money.
No qualification points on offer.

Maybe it should be called LIV Boxing?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don’t know anybody who would turn down £50 Million just for doing there job (some might say an easier version of their job).

10 rounds instead of the normal 12.
Inferior opponent.
Loads more money.
No qualification points on offer.

Maybe it should be called LIV Boxing?

I think if you already have a mountain of money, more than you will ever spend, and believe that your reputation and legacy stands for something, important to a lot in sport, then I think plenty would turn it down. If you are a regular person, with a regular income, then I agree but you are talking about a fabulously wealthy person being offered more. I don't think it is comparable.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I don’t know anybody who would turn down £50 Million just for doing there job (some might say an easier version of their job).

10 rounds instead of the normal 12.
Inferior opponent.
Loads more money.
No qualification points on offer.

Maybe it should be called LIV Boxing?

And yet on here people ridiculed and slated every golfer that went to LIV just for the money, stating it’s ruining their careers, is bad for the game and makes a mockery of it! But Joshua does and it’s all cries of who wouldn’t turn down the money!

Aren’t we golfers very fickle about what we choose to support and don’t

Queue the but it’s Saudi money cries for LIV! Well guess where all the big purse fights have been happening in recent years to

 

[irip]

And yet on here people ridiculed and slated every golfer that went to LIV just for the money, stating it’s ruining their careers, is bad for the game and makes a mockery of it! But Joshua does and it’s all cries of who wouldn’t turn down the money!

Aren’t we golfers very fickle about what we choose to support and don’t

Queue the but it’s Saudi money cries for LIV! Well guess where all the big purse fights have been happening in recent years to

I was very much saying that tongue in cheek.
I don’t blame anyone for taking the money but don’t try and fool us that it’s anything but that.

It’s not growing the game.
It’s not going to increase your reputation.
It’s not going to cement your legacy.

It is going to make you a shed load of money.

I think then a lot of respect would be shown.

I also think AJ & Tyson have agreed to have there best of British of fight next year.

Again it’s 10 years too late but will make them both more money.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I was very much saying that tongue in cheek.
I don’t blame anyone for taking the money but don’t try and fool us that it’s anything but that.

It’s not growing the game.
It’s not going to increase your reputation.
It’s not going to cement your legacy.

It is going to make you a shed load of money.

I think then a lot of respect would be shown.

I also think AJ & Tyson have agreed to have there best of British of fight next year.

Again it’s 10 years too late but will make them both more money.

Oh I know your comment was tongue in cheek mate. Just pointing out the irony that there’s many on here and across the golfing world where I play stating why shouldn’t he take the money. Yet when the Golfers or footballers do it, they’re greedy and only out for themselves. Like I said we’re a fickle bunch

 

[Fromtherough]

In some ways I don't really understand what's in it for Netflix. Most people have Netflix already. Are there really going to many people purchasing it just for this boxing match? Can't see a lot of benefit for them in buying the rights to it.

This is a really good point. Does Netflix show adverts in other territories?

 

[Swango1980]

I think the wider boxing community have piled in, his reputation in boxing takes the hit. If that doesn't bother him, that's fine. He can sit in his castle counting his money. Just accept that his credibility will be shot, unnecessarily.

I think we are viewing this in a different way. You are still calling it a fight, most people view it as an exhibition.

I think you are forgetting some of my other posts, for example when I said:

"I'll simply watch it due to the entertainment value"

At no point have I referred to it as a great head to head show down that will be tough to call. I'd fully expect Joshua to win with ease. That doesn't mean it is a worthless event. The money involved is direct evidence to that. I get that it is something that you are not at all interested in. There are plenty of things I have no interest in. All I have done is to try and explain WHY Joshua will be doing it, and WHY other people will tune in to it.

 

[Swango1980]

And yet on here people ridiculed and slated every golfer that went to LIV just for the money, stating it’s ruining their careers, is bad for the game and makes a mockery of it! But Joshua does and it’s all cries of who wouldn’t turn down the money!

Aren’t we golfers very fickle about what we choose to support and don’t

Queue the but it’s Saudi money cries for LIV! Well guess where all the big purse fights have been happening in recent years to

Depends on the golfer though.

Lee Westwood, Ian Pulter, etc. I'm sure most completely get why they would join LIV.

Bryson though, who was still one of the best players in the game and could achieve many iconic wins in golf going forward, took a bigger risk. Ultimately, he still did it, still what he wanted to do. But there would have been more criticism towards him than someone about to retire or someone who may never make it to the big time.

If Joshua was 25, had never lost a fight and was looking to become one of the biggest names ever in boxing, then fighting some youTuber would be a much much bigger risk. But at 35 and having lost a number of big fights, a much easier decision to make. It is about context.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Depends on the golfer though.

Lee Westwood, Ian Pulter, etc. I'm sure most completely get why they would join LIV.

Bryson though, who was still one of the best players in the game and could achieve many iconic wins in golf going forward, took a bigger risk. Ultimately, he still did it, still what he wanted to do. But there would have been more criticism towards him than someone about to retire or someone who may never make it to the big time.

If Joshua was 25, had never lost a fight and was looking to become one of the biggest names ever in boxing, then fighting some youTuber would be a much much bigger risk. But at 35 and having lost a number of big fights, a much easier decision to make. It is about context.

Totally get your point yet people still gave Westwood, Poulter, Mickelson every single player in fact pelters for it. I’m a very balanced person and don’t think you should criticise one and defend the other. You either accept everyone is entitled to make the choice for money or not!

That for me is the context and as LT says he’s already and multi millionaire with more in the bank so the context is kind of irrelevant it’s either ok for all across all sports or it’s not ok for any. Just my opinion though

 

[Swango1980]

Totally get your point yet people still gave Westwood, Poulter, Mickelson every single player in fact pelters for it. I’m a very balanced person and don’t think you should criticise one and defend the other. You either accept everyone is entitled to make the choice for money or not!

That for me is the context and as LT says he’s already and multi millionaire with more in the bank so the context is kind of irrelevant it’s either ok for all across all sports or it’s not ok for any. Just my opinion though

I guess it depends on each individual making the argument then. If a person gave every single LIV golfer pelters simply because they did it for the money, then that individual could definitely be seen as hypocritical if they then defend Joshua for taking the money option.

However, if another person was more balanced in their criticism of LIV golfers, appreciating why some would make the move but not others who were perhaps bigger players in the sport, then they could be seen as consistent if they were OK with Joshua's decision. Of course, it would also depend on where they think Joshua currently stands in boxing? Maybe some still see him as a major player, others will see him as a declining star.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think if you already have a mountain of money, more than you will ever spend, and believe that your reputation and legacy stands for something, important to a lot in sport, then I think plenty would turn it down. If you are a regular person, with a regular income, then I agree but you are talking about a fabulously wealthy person being offered more. I don't think it is comparable.

Rich people always want to be richer

What doesn’t help them is when they try and excuse it - Poulter the perfect example with his claim of wanting to protect and ensure his kids are ok which is why he said he went for the money ignoring the £30mil worth of cars than he has and can be sold to help his kids or one of his multi million pound houses


People 9/10 will make their choice based on the funds available

 

[Swango1980]

Rich people always want to be richer

What doesn’t help them is when they try and excuse it - Poulter the perfect example with his claim of wanting to protect and ensure his kids are ok which is why he said he went for the money ignoring the £30mil worth of cars than he has and can be sold to help his kids or one of his multi million pound houses


People 9/10 will make their choice based on the funds available

Then again, why should anyone need to justify what they will spend their money on.

I'm sure a lot of the extra millions he earns from LIV WILL find its way to his kids in one way or another, sooner or later. But if he wants to buy a few more cars or a super yacht, that's up to him.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Depends on the golfer though.

Lee Westwood, Ian Pulter, etc. I'm sure most completely get why they would join LIV.

Bryson though, who was still one of the best players in the game and could achieve many iconic wins in golf going forward, took a bigger risk. Ultimately, he still did it, still what he wanted to do. But there would have been more criticism towards him than someone about to retire or someone who may never make it to the big time.

If Joshua was 25, had never lost a fight and was looking to become one of the biggest names ever in boxing, then fighting some youTuber would be a much much bigger risk. But at 35 and having lost a number of big fights, a much easier decision to make. It is about context.

Agreed,it was a no brainer for Westwood & Poulter to join LIV imo.
At the end of their careers they got offered a massive pay day.
It’s easy for people to sit on a forum & have “morals”,but I’m not having it.
It’s not even like they did anything wrong.
They just switched tours