Boxing/UFC 2018-24

[Simbo]

McGregor didn't start the melee inside or outside the cage...

Dana White revealed: "I saw one of Conor's guys yelling at Khabib, Khabib ran and jumped over the octagon, went after him. Two of Khabib's guys got into the octagon, one guy hit Conor with some shots from behind, and that's it. The way that works is Conor is one of the guys who was attacked. Conor refused to press charges. There were three guys from Khabib's team arrested, and they were released because Conor didn't want to press charges."

Rubbish, there’s plenty footage from fans phones showing quite clearly McGregor swinging a punch at someone, long before the 2 corner guys had a go at him never mind the guy in the red top that climbed the cage and smacked him.
While I don’t agree with They done McGregor is far from the innocent victim here.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You didn't just make a post about the event though did you. You couldn't help yourself but to take a dig at the sport, again. As you have done in the past and seem to whenever MMA comes up on the forum. I don't have anger issues, I just take issue with you when you spout rubbish.

So what if I said the sport is shocking - that doesn’t mean you are required to take it as some sort of personal offence - I think the sport is a disgrace both before each event and during it - last night enhances that opinion with the actions of the fighters , their camps and the fans watching

 

[Fish]

Two of Khabib's team did enter the octagon. Watch the footage again, Conor gets attacked from the front and then from behind by the dude that climbs the cage behind him. Not sure where the other guy came from, may have already been in the octagon as part of Khabib's crew but Conor was definitely attacked by two guys.

But yeah, Conor went for one of Khabib's team too, just after Khabib leaped the cage. He's not innocent in this incident either, which is probably why he didn't press charges. An ugly incident from all involved, not seen anything like this in MMA since Mayhem interrupted Jake Shields causing a brawl in Strikeforce. Not good to see, especially given the number of new fans to the sport given the promotion for this one.

That’s what I’ve said if you reread my post, the first guy was already in the Octagon, he entered with the officials once it was won, when Khabib jumped he ran across the floor and jumped up on the fence to follow him, it was then that Connor threw a punch at him and threw a bottle into the crowd, that guy then attacked Connor in retaliation!

When they were parted the other guy, wearing a similar shirt jumped in and attacked Connor, possibly because he’d seen his team mate attacked by Conner. When he was separated, the first guy got free and attacked Connor again.

All of that stemmed from Connor throwing a first punch and bottle into the crowd whilst on top of the cage fence, some of the short videos doing the rounds don’t show the fracas leading up to Connor being attacked or Connor on the top of the fence as well, so it looks at face value he’s just been attacked without provocation, but that’s 100% not the case!

 

[Dan2501]

That’s what I’ve said if you reread my post, the first guy was already in the Octagon, he entered with the officials once it was won, when Khabib jumped he ran across the floor and jumped up on the fence to follow him, it was then that Connor threw a punch at him and threw a bottle into the crowd, that guy then attacked Connor in retaliation!

When they were parted the other guy, wearing a similar shirt jumped in and attacked Connor, possibly because he’d seen his team mate attacked by Conner. When he was separated, the first guy got free and attacked Connor again.

All of that stemmed from Connor throwing a first punch and bottle into the crowd whilst on top of the cage fence, some of the short videos doing the rounds don’t show the fracas leading up to Connor being attacked or Connor on the top of the fence as well, so it looks at face value he’s just been attacked without provocation, but that’s 100% not the case!

Nope, pretty sure that's a different guy. Conor ran across to attack the guy that jumped onto cage to follow Khabib. It was after he returned to the otherside of the cage that he got attacked by someone else in front of him and then by the guy that jumped in behind him. Three of Khabib's team were arrested -the two that sucker punched Conor in the cage and then one other - not sure who, possibly the other guy that Conor tried to engage. Watch it here - two dudes jump the cage and attack Conor:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1048951932637786116

I don't think it stemmed from Conor personally - Khabib was already flying through the air trying to kick Dillon Danis's teeth out as Conor engaged Khabib's cornerman. It was started by Khabib deciding to jump the cage and attack Conor's corner, well, Dillon Danis.

 

[Simbo]

You've spouted your opinion about MMA before, but as with a number of other topics you continue to post the same stuff over and over again. If you don't like something, why are you so interested? and why do you keep posting about it? You should be the one winding your neck in, sick to death of reading your opinions over and over again on this forum, as are a lot of people. You're so full of yourself it's unbelievable. This forum would be a much more pleasant place to visit if you wound your neck in permanently.

Absolve blame? I hardly mentioned the incident. Conor is on film attempting to attack one of Khabib's team just after Khabib jumps over, he's not innocent in this, but he did nothing compared to Khabib and his team.

Haha, bringing up the Aldo incident, you're hilarious. That was an intimidation tactic, not a single strike was thrown towards Aldo, he shouted at him. Not even remotely comparable, did nothing wrong there. The rest fair enough, but he was punished for those things, he's definitely no angel. Where have I claimed otherwise?

He talks trash. It's combat sports, it happens ALL THE TIME. It is a part of hyping fights, it happens across the board, what's wrong with it?
People throw strikes and push eachother at weigh-ins all the time - they're getting in eachothers faces the night before they're due to fight, it's going to happen.

A few people have died yes, but not that many and certainly not as many as have died in Boxing. MMA is far safer despite what you may think. We've had this discussion before.

Dana White is embarrassed by it, he should be, last night was a disgrace.

What’s wrong with it is sooner or later it was going to lead to this, you can’t just expect to badmouth guys like they all do without at some point a violent guy loses his rag and does this. Like I said before the fight “promotions” of all the bad mouthing and pushing and shoving is just escalating. Fighting at weigh ins, press conferences and Things like this are just the next step on the ladder.

 

[Dan2501]

What’s wrong with it is sooner or later it was going to lead to this, you can’t just expect to badmouth guys like they all do without at some point a violent guy loses his rag and does this. Like I said before the fight “promotions” of all the bad mouthing and pushing and shoving is just escalating. Fighting at weigh ins, press conferences and Things like this are just the next step on the ladder.

Muhammad Ali was talking smack leading up to fights in the 60s and 70s. This has been going on for decades in combat sports. It's a part of combat sports and it will remain a part of combat sports. One sour incident, an incident of which we rarely see in combat sports, is not going to change that. Verbal and mental warfare is and should forever be a part of combat sports.

Also, it's not the smack talk that has caused all this. It stems from the team rivalry that was initially caused when Khabib cornered one of Conor's team-mates backstage at an event with a big group of his friends and slapped him, that then escalated when Conor and his group of thugs did what they did to the UFC coach. But before Khabib did what he did, there was no smacktalk between them. This is thug/gang/team-mate rivalry caused by disrespectful and violent acts, not by Conor telling the world about how Khabib's manager is a terrorist rat (which isn't smack talk btw, it's truth, Ali Abdelaziz is a scumbag that should not be allowed in the US, let alone given a license to manage athletes), that adds to the fuel sure, but smack talk is not the catalyst nor the problem here.

 

[Simbo]

Nope, pretty sure that's a different guy. Conor ran across to attack the guy that jumped onto cage to follow Khabib. It was after he returned to the otherside of the cage that he got attacked by someone else in front of him and then by the guy that jumped in behind him. Three of Khabib's team were arrested -the two that sucker punched Conor in the cage and then one other - not sure who, possibly the other guy that Conor tried to engage. Watch it here - two dudes jump the cage and attack Conor:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1048951932637786116

I don't think it stemmed from Conor personally - Khabib was already flying through the air trying to kick Dillon Danis's teeth out as Conor engaged Khabib's cornerman. It was started by Khabib deciding to jump the cage and attack Conor's corner, well, Dillon Danis.

How can he be running across to attack a guy that was on the cage when there was nobody there??
That video quite clearly shows McGregor up on the cage first then the other guy jumps up on it beside him and McGregor takes a pot shot at him to which the guy retaliates.

 

[fundy]

Muhammad Ali was talking smack leading up to fights in the 60s and 70s. This has been going on for decades in combat sports. It's a part of combat sports and it will remain a part of combat sports. One sour incident, an incident of which we rarely see in combat sports, is not going to change that. Verbal and mental warfare is and should forever be a part of combat sports.

Also, it's not the smack talk that has caused all this. It stems from the team rivalry that was initially caused when Khabib cornered one of Conor's team-mates backstage at an event with a big group of his friends and slapped him, that then escalated when Conor and his group of thugs did what they did to the UFC coach. But before Khabib did what he did, there was no smacktalk between them. This is thug/gang/team-mate rivalry caused by disrespectful and violent acts, not by Conor telling the world about how Khabib's manager is a terrorist rat (which isn't smack talk btw, it's truth, Ali Abdelaziz is a scumbag that should not be allowed in the US, let alone given a license to manage athletes), that adds to the fuel sure, but smack talk is not the catalyst nor the problem here.

Why?

Im a massive fight fan but have never seen the need for this apart from in promoting and selling a fight to idiots who lap up the rivalry angle.

These are supposedly top flight athletes, do they really need the charades in the build up?

 

[Dan2501]

How can he be running across to attack a guy that was on the cage when there was nobody there??
That video quite clearly shows McGregor up on the cage first then the other guy jumps up on it beside him and McGregor takes a pot shot at him to which the guy retaliates.

Yep fair - missed that. Conor jumps up first to run after Khabib, who is already mid-attacking his team. Even so, point remains, Conor was attacked by two guys in the cage, and this was started by Khabib.

 

[Fish]

How can he be running across to attack a guy that was on the cage when there was nobody there??
That video quite clearly shows McGregor up on the cage first then the other guy jumps up on it beside him and McGregor takes a pot shot at him to which the guy retaliates.

Which is what I have watched on a different and closer video and stated before.

Connor jumps up on his own, the corner man with towel in-hand jumps up to go over to his man and Connor throws a punch at him, most of what happens in the cage after that is because of that exchange because the guy who jumps in (not in red) is wearing the same t-shirt as the corner man with the towel. That’s 2 of the team plus the guy in the red, whoever he is god knows!

 

[Simbo]

Another point, as bad as it sounds is, where is McGregors cornermen/team. They should’ve been in their defending him while everyone and their granny was taking potshots at him.

 

[Dan2501]

One thing here is for sure, none of it would have happened if Khabib hadn't jumped the cage to attack Conor's team. Conor's not innocent in this matter, but he got involved in order to defend his team from an attack from Khabib. If Khabib had taken his victory like a true champion, he'd have been celebrated today, as he should have been as a 27-0 undisputed champion, instead he's a disgraced thug that may never get licensed to fight in the US again, or if he does it will be after a lengthy suspension. That is a great shame for him and for MMA. A fight with Tony Ferguson in 3/4 months would have been epic.

 

[Dan2501]

Another point, as bad as it sounds is, where is McGregors cornermen/team. They should’ve been in their defending him while everyone and their granny was taking potshots at him.

Where were they? They were on their way to the cage when they got attacked by Khabib and then swamped by security and police.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Muhammad Ali was talking smack leading up to fights in the 60s and 70s. This has been going on for decades in combat sports. It's a part of combat sports and it will remain a part of combat sports. One sour incident, an incident of which we rarely see in combat sports, is not going to change that. Verbal and mental warfare is and should forever be a part of combat sports.

Also, it's not the smack talk that has caused all this. It stems from the team rivalry that was initially caused when Khabib cornered one of Conor's team-mates backstage at an event with a big group of his friends and slapped him, that then escalated when Conor and his group of thugs did what they did to the UFC coach. But before Khabib did what he did, there was no smacktalk between them. This is thug/gang/team-mate rivalry caused by disrespectful and violent acts, not by Conor telling the world about how Khabib's manager is a terrorist rat (which isn't smack talk btw, it's truth, Ali Abdelaziz is a scumbag that should not be allowed in the US, let alone given a license to manage athletes), that adds to the fuel sure, but smack talk is not the catalyst nor the problem here.

Alis name should never be mentioned in the same breath as people like McGregor

Ali never resorted to levels like this

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....custody-khabib-chiesa-artem-a8291236.html?amp

He should be kicked out of the sport - along with Khabib

 

[Pin-seeker]

One thing here is for sure, none of it would have happened if Khabib hadn't jumped the cage to attack Conor's team. Conor's not innocent in this matter, but he got involved in order to defend his team from an attack from Khabib. If Khabib had taken his victory like a true champion, he'd have been celebrated today, as he should have been as a 27-0 undisputed champion, instead he's a disgraced thug that may never get licensed to fight in the US again, or if he does it will be after a lengthy suspension. That is a great shame for him and for MMA. A fight with Tony Ferguson in 3/4 months would have been epic.

Or St Pierre?
Who do reckon gives Khabib the best fight?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Alis name should never be mentioned in the same breath as people like McGregor

Ali never resorted to levels like this

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/mma/conor-mcgregor-arrest-bus-attack-mugshot-ufc-news-truck-custody-khabib-chiesa-artem-a8291236.html?amp

He should be kicked out of the sport - along with Khabib

Well that’s not going to happen so wind your neck in Phillip 👍🏻

Haven’t you got someone that you can talk hockey with?

 

[Simbo]

So iv Just had my ass kicked,after the fight 3 different guys have had several attempts each at attaching me and not one of my team have managed to get into the ring to try and defend me. Poor show IMO.

 

[Fish]

One thing here is for sure, none of it would have happened if Khabib hadn't jumped the cage to attack Conor's team. Conor's not innocent in this matter, but he got involved in order to defend his team from an attack from Khabib. If Khabib had taken his victory like a true champion, he'd have been celebrated today, as he should have been as a 27-0 undisputed champion, instead he's a disgraced thug that may never get licensed to fight in the US again, or if he does it will be after a lengthy suspension. That is a great shame for him and for MMA. A fight with Tony Ferguson in 3/4 months would have been epic.

I think it came to a quicker end than Khabib wanted, or needed.

Connor had shot his mouth off so much with very personal insults which were beyond acceptable plus you had the attack on the coach, thus I think Khabib needed a few more rounds to get all that anger out of him and bestow it upon Connor, but because it came to a swift end, Khabib was still pumped and couldn’t control the rage he still had in him, thus his leap to attack Connors team who were all complicit in the personal and physical attacks prior to the actual fight.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

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Well that’s not going to happen so wind your neck in Phillip 👍🏻

Haven’t you got someone that you can talk hockey with?

Give it a rest mate - it's boring! If Phil winds you up so much just ignore him! Easily done.

 

[Dan2501]

Alis name should never be mentioned in the same breath as people like McGregor

Ali never resorted to levels like this

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/mma/conor-mcgregor-arrest-bus-attack-mugshot-ufc-news-truck-custody-khabib-chiesa-artem-a8291236.html?amp

Muhammad Ali was no saint either. Joe Frazier shot a gun (filled with blanks) at Muhammad Ali's head at a Vegas Casino because he was sick to death of Ali's self-proclaimed "harassment campaign" where he'd been following Frazier around with a megaphone shouting obscenities at him. Fight build-up hasn't changed that much. You know who else would disagree with you? Ali's daughter Rasheeda. She was incredibly complimentary towards Conor in the build-up to the Mayweather fight saying they were very similar - saying "their personality, their charm and their wit were very similar". So Ali's family even mention them in the same breath. Conor was actually asked about Ali's daughters comments this week in the build up and replied with this:

"I always appreciate the comparison. I'm quick to say I am not anywhere close to Muhammad Ali," he said (h/t Simon Samano of MMAjunkie). "That was a special man."