Bogey holes

[selwood90]

How many holes on your course do you look at as bogey holes? I realise a few better players may say none, or even you should never play for a bogey, obviously. But I like to play within my means a lot of the time, rather than playing for a shot that will come off once out of ten.

For me it's our 1st, 7th 10th and 11th that I'm fine with walking away with a bogey from. Alot of the others I feel iv sold myself short. Not that it stops me walking away with a bogey anyway. But hey ho! So how many bogey holes are in your place?

 

[Norrin Radd]

only the one ,the 6th. but then its only a nine hole track.

 

[JohnnyDee]

They change for me. I seem to go through months of stuffing a particular hole only to finally get over it.

However once that happens the hex normally transfers itself on to a different one.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Our 10th. Can almost guarantee that if I've got a half decent front 9 I'll mess up the 10th - not the easiest in any case.

 

[HankMarvin]

Dont see any hole as a bogey hole, just the opposite I see every hole as a birdie hole.

 

[selwood90]

Dont see any hole as a bogey hole, just the opposite I see every hole as a birdie hole.

I see the theory side of that, but you go for that shot that needs to be perfect every hole? Never damage limitation?

 

[HankMarvin]

I see the theory side of that, but you go for that shot that needs to be perfect every hole? Never damage limitation?

not if I can help it, standing on every tee I am only ever thinking about making birdie, why would anyone be thinking about damage limitation or be happy with a bogey.

 

[garyinderry]

Par 4 back home. If I don't get inside 150 yards off the tee I nearly always lay up. Too much danger about. Likely to lose the ball right or end up in a bush left. Take my chance with a pitch and one putt. Won't beat myself up with a bogey. 6th hole. Too early in the round to throw all the chips in. Many a card wreaked there before its even begun.

 

[JohnnyDee]

I argue that our first hole is perhaps one of the most difficult opening holes in the county.

If it came on the back nine then it would be more benign, but to start a medal round with a 420 yard plus monster, up hill and into the prevailing wind ain't easy.

Consequently it becomes a bogey hole for most of our membership all except for the Cat 1s.

 

[selwood90]

not if I can help it, standing on every tee I am only ever thinking about making birdie, why would anyone be thinking about damage limitation or be happy with a bogey.

I understand not being happy with a bogey, and agree really. But as a 20 handicapper, I try to attack the holes I know i can and take my medicine on the holes i can't. Takes me out of having to rely on that one out of ten shot. And protects the card I suppose.

 

[nickjdavis]

The 13th at my place. At 456 yards with the first 300yds uphill I just can not usually reach in two shots.

In 15yrs I've birdied it once, fluking a 250yrd 3 wood approach to 3ft.

Basically play it as a par 5....if I can knock my third shot close and 1 putt then that's a bonus.

 

[Smiffy]

Maybe our 1st, but other than that no real holes that cause me undue concern when stood on the tee. I can play all of them badly on any given day though!!
But Blackmoor has 4 or 5 holes that I don't relish playing and would quite happily walk off with bogie.
The 5th, 6th, 10th, 15th and 18th. And two of those (in bold) are par 3's. Doesn't matter how well I am playing around there, those two holes are "nemesis" holes, and if I par either of them it really does feel like a birdie.

 

[Imurg]

There's certainly 4 holes on my course where, although I'm not jumping for joy, bogey is a respectable score
Our first, although not long, can wreck your card before you've even started
The 4th is a 450 yard dogleg right, hard to reach in 2
The 16th is much the same but uphill.
Take 5 on each of these and I'm level handicap on them and probably a couple of shots/points up on the rest of the field
Our 5th is a 200 yard par 3, tricky par, easy bogey..again, a bogey and I'm level.
Pretty much every other hole I'm a bit grumpy with a bogey

 

[Fish]

There's probably 2 off our yellows, the 1st & 10th that even with an excellent drive would still leave a very good and precise fairway wood to hit the green, as such I'll take an iron short of the bunkers and then look to chip close hopefully for a single putt or a bogey at worse, this philosophy could be used on any hole though if I didn't get a decent drive away, the risks of reaching for a fairway wood for over 200yds on a tight course littered with various hazards is just not worth it in a medal comp, but in a bounce game I'll often try it but the success rate is poor and too costly.

 

[Oddsocks]

One that everyone counts as a bogey hole except the real big hitters is our 8th on the blue. 460 off the yellows and 480 off the whites. Slightly up hill always into atleast a 1 club breeze.

 

[the_coach]

But I like to play within my means a lot of the time, rather than playing for a shot that will come off once out of ten.

when reading the thread title was thinking it was about 'holes' that folks pretty near always played/scored badly on in which case would say play the hole differently from the tee-box even if it's tight and long par 4 & if always OB then take a 5i/6i off of the tee box look to get there in 3 etc

but overall what you describe for the large part is pretty much a sensible astute course management outlook after assessing current standard of playing ability - perhaps would work better overall keeping this is mind rather than kind 'fixing' a # strokes taken to a hole from the tee box

from the other end of the spectrum thinking of bogey from the tee box the answer would be none but like wise thinking of birdie from the tee box the answer would be the same, none would simply be thinking of the one shot about to be played and the target area for that shot

playing throughout a season in a number of elite tourney's over a variety of courses would assess the course and use course management through the planned map of shots for each hole - knowing that some holes would require not so tight a line off off the tee box with the best club selection also looking at landing areas due to hazard distances, fairway widths - the club isn't always the driver
just like some shots into the green should not always be direct line to the flag

no elite player or pga tour pro goes out with a game plan through 18, 36, 72 holes that has them looking to take risks at every hole to shoot birds as a decision taken standing on the tee box, that would just be insane, & a pretty sure ways of missing the cut - that kinda thought process only comes into play on the final 9 of a tourney and the position is of being a # shots behind with a chance to win - then you'd take more risks looking to score birds

course management is a totally crucial part of the game and should really be taken seriously for sure

 

[Leereed]

Our 11th does me week after week. 190 yard par 3.Dont hit green and it's at best a four. Trees and rough down both sides.bunkers at front both sides.If windy you have to aim 60 yards left and let the wind bring it back.And its si 16.......

 

[Tashyboy]

when reading the thread title was thinking it was about 'holes' that folks pretty near always played/scored badly on in which case would say play the hole differently from the tee-box even if it's tight and long par 4 & if always OB then take a 5i/6i off of the tee box look to get there in 3 etc

but overall what you describe for the large part is pretty much a sensible astute course management outlook after assessing current standard of playing ability - perhaps would work better overall keeping this is mind rather than kind 'fixing' a # strokes taken to a hole from the tee box

from the other end of the spectrum thinking of bogey from the tee box the answer would be none but like wise thinking of birdie from the tee box the answer would be the same, none would simply be thinking of the one shot about to be played and the target area for that shot

playing throughout a season in a number of elite tourney's over a variety of courses would assess the course and use course management through the planned map of shots for each hole - knowing that some holes would require not so tight a line off off the tee box with the best club selection also looking at landing areas due to hazard distances, fairway widths - the club isn't always the driver
just like some shots into the green should not always be direct line to the flag

no elite player or pga tour pro goes out with a game plan through 18, 36, 72 holes that has them looking to take risks at every hole to shoot birds as a decision taken standing on the tee box, that would just be insane, & a pretty sure ways of missing the cut - that kinda thought process only comes into play on the final 9 of a tourney and the position is of being a # shots behind with a chance to win - then you'd take more risks looking to score birds

course management is a totally crucial part of the game and should really be taken seriously for sure

That last sentance, I could not agree with more. I have mentioned this before but Anahita kicked by butt the first time I played it. The second time I " course managed" every shot after my drive. I say drive because it was the best I have ever driven a ball in my life up to then. IF I had 150 plus to the green for the second shot, which was most of the time I laid up. Par fours became a 40,30,20 yd par three having used my shot off the tee. It worked fantastic. That day "I was the man" on a course designed for the tour pros. (Course was hosting a Mauritius open with Colsarts and others playing that day)
BUT, and this is a massive BUT, why do I not use that mentality on my own course. I even told my pp the other day day to use his shots on a par five and he had a putt for birdie from 6ft
( missed).
My pps said I will smash my 21 hcap next year, but they said that last year and dropped from 21.8 - 21.2, that's hardly smashing it.
Why? bogey holes, course management, whatever it is. Am sure if I can sort out the "head" side of my game, theres gonna be " casualties " this year.

 

[virtuocity]

Can play all holes badly, but there's a number of holes I'll happily take bogies on. My strategy has changed to even encourage bogies to eradicate big scores- particularly on par 4s over 400 yards and par 3s over 220 yards.

 

[richart]

Maybe our 1st, but other than that no real holes that cause me undue concern when stood on the tee. I can play all of them badly on any given day though!!
But Blackmoor has 4 or 5 holes that I don't relish playing and would quite happily walk off with bogie.
The 5th, 6th, 10th, 15th and 18th. And two of those (in bold) are par 3's. Doesn't matter how well I am playing around there, those two holes are "nemesis" holes, and if I par either of them it really does feel like a birdie.

Definitely the fifth. I hit driver there today for the first time ever, and it still left my partner with a hybrid in. He left it short of the ditch.

Always happy to get through 3,4,5 and 6 relatively unscathed. They usually play into the wind and long. Rest of the course is not too bad, but 18, especially the green is always waiting to ruin a good round.