Ave got a CONGU sized headache.

[Tashyboy]

Played in yesterday's biblical proportions weather and came fourth overall in a medal comp.

div one first overall 73

div two div winner, second overall 74. No drop in hcap
div two third overall 74. Drop 0.3 in hcap

div three Tashyboy Forth overall 74 points No drop in Hcap.
div three Fifth overall 74 points 0.4 drop in Hcap.

now, it has been explained to me why it is what it is but,
Tashyboy, div two winner an div one winner gets the brass but no drop in Hcap and runners up get no brass but drop in Hcap.

now me an div two winners had 2 x triple bogeys which were less than the runners up triple bogeys, which meant we won the brass but had no Hcap loss.

am goin for a lie down, coz I don't know what's goin off re no Hcap change for the winners, but I kinda do.

what is goin off with CONGU.

 

[rosecott]

Played in yesterday's biblical proportions weather and came fourth overall in a medal comp.

div one first overall 73

div two div winner, second overall 74. No drop in hcap
div two third overall 74. Drop 0.3 in hcap

div three Tashyboy Forth overall 74 points No drop in Hcap.
div three Fifth overall 74 points 0.4 drop in Hcap.

now, it has been explained to me why it is what it is but,
Tashyboy, div two winner an div one winner gets the brass but no drop in Hcap and runners up get no brass but drop in Hcap.

now me an div two winners had 2 x triple bogeys which were less than the runners up triple bogeys, which meant we won the brass but had no Hcap loss.

am goin for a lie down, coz I don't know what's goin off re no Hcap change for the winners, but I kinda do.

what is goin off with CONGU.

Nothing is going off with CONGU. The rules were the same after you played as they were before you played. When you see the results on Masterscoreboard it will all be obvious. Who wins what in brass is completely irrelevant.

 

[pbrown7582]

Seems pretty straight forward to me I suspect your triples were shot holes so no rounding.

 

[Tashyboy]

Thoroughly understand, how it's been explained to me when I rang Norwood more for my understanding of how CONGU works, but I cannot understand how you can win ( brass ) but not win Hcap reduction.

 

[delc]

Thoroughly understand, how it's been explained to me when I rang Norwood more for my understanding of how CONGU works, but I cannot understand how you can win ( brass ) but not win Hcap reduction.

That's happened to me several times this year! Generally on difficult days when the CSS has gone up, but nobody beats it, even if a few have just made the buffer zone.

 

[pbrown7582]

Thoroughly understand, how it's been explained to me when I rang Norwood more for my understanding of how CONGU works, but I cannot understand how you can win ( brass ) but not win Hcap reduction.

A win is relative to how everyone else scores. Handicap is against the SSS they'll be times when you get a cut but don't win any prizes and others when you will win prizes and not get a cut.

 

[Tashyboy]

That's happened to me several times this year! Generally on difficult days when the CSS has gone up, but nobody beats it, even if a few have just made the buffer zone.

Over the last couple of seasons I have won my division half a dozen times by playing to handicap. What I cannot get my head around is that most of the time players do not enter the comps either to protect there hcaps, or they have no chance of playing to hcap so don't bother, but those that do. Play to Hcap but there hcaps don't change.

 

[duncan mackie]

That's happened to me several times this year! Generally on difficult days when the CSS has gone up, but nobody beats it, even if a few have just made the buffer zone.

Nothing to do with the issue here (stableford adjustments and medal play)

 

[louise_a]

Its best to think of it has how many stableford points you would have got for the triples, your triples may have not got you a stableford point, whereas the ones who got cuts would have.

 

[rosecott]

Thoroughly understand, how it's been explained to me when I rang Norwood more for my understanding of how CONGU works, but I cannot understand how you can win ( brass ) but not win Hcap reduction.

That's happened to me several times this year! Generally on difficult days when the CSS has gone up, but nobody beats it, even if a few have just made the buffer zone.

Nothing to do with the issue here (stableford adjustments and medal play)

I'm sure Duncan, like me, you are a bit weary of pointing out the obvious.

I'd be a rich man if I had a pound for every time someone has said to me "he's been in the money 3 times in the last 3 weeks and he hasn't been chopped".

 

[delc]

Nothing to do with the issue here (stableford adjustments and medal play)

Prizes are won in medals by gross score minus handicap equals nett score. Best nett score wins. If you have a bad score on one or two holes, it will be rounded down to a nett double bogey for handicapping purposes. Thus it is possible to get a handicap cut without winning anything. Happened to a friend of mine who was having a splendid round until he ran up a 13 on the 18th hole, which included two lost balls and getting stuck in a bunker. He was cut by 2, but was nowhere near the prizes.

 

[duncan mackie]

Prizes are won in medals by gross score minus handicap equals nett score. Best nett score wins. If you have a bad score on one or two holes, it will be rounded down to a nett double bogey for handicapping purposes. Thus it is possible to get a handicap cut without winning anything. Happened to a friend of mine who was having a splendid round until he ran up a 13 on the 18th hole, which included two lost balls and getting stuck in a bunker. He was cut by 2, but was nowhere near the prizes.

But the OP was posting about people getting cut who didn't win, as well as winners who weren't cut; and you responded with a CSS going up and no- one beating it.....hence the lack of relevance.

 

[chrisd]

I'm sure Duncan, like me, you are a bit weary of pointing out the obvious.

I'd be a rich man if I had a pound for every time someone has said to me "he's been in the money 3 times in the last 3 weeks and he hasn't been chopped".

That's right Rose - I know someone who was in the money 3 times in the last 3 days and won't get cut. :smirk:

 

[rosecott]

That's right Rose - I know someone who was in the money 3 times in the last 3 days and won't get cut. :smirk:

You are on borrowed time - make the most of the next 362 days.

 

[Foxholer]

But the OP was posting about people getting cut who didn't win, as well as winners who weren't cut; and you responded with a CSS going up and no- one beating it.....hence the lack of relevance.

To be fair, Del was on the right track. Medal Winner is indeed Gross minus Handicap. While Handicap Cut/No Cut is Stableford Score compared to CSS.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Its best to think of it has how many stableford points you would have got for the triples, your triples may have not got you a stableford point, whereas the ones who got cuts would have.

That's not actually true. More likely that the ones who got cut had trebles on holes they didn't get a shot and so were rounded down to nett doubles for handicap whereas the ones who didn't get cut had them on holes they did get a shot and so no rounding occurred. In either case, neither would have got any stableford points.

 

[delc]

But the OP was posting about people getting cut who didn't win, as well as winners who weren't cut; and you responded with a CSS going up and no- one beating it.....hence the lack of relevance.

Yes, but the latter is a reason why you can win prizes but not get cut! I have played in several comps this year when this has been the case, due to adverse weather conditions.

 

[Tashyboy]

That's not actually true. More likely that the ones who got cut had trebles on holes they didn't get a shot and so were rounded down to nett doubles for handicap whereas the ones who didn't get cut had them on holes they did get a shot and so no rounding occurred. In either case, neither would have got any stableford points.

In essence that is what was explained to me and a bit of what Louise said as well.

the guy in my division had an 8 and 9 on his triple plus bogeys which were rounded down to a 7 and 8 which were the two scores which I shot which were not rounded down. So he dropped two more shots to a 72 with the course that say playing to 73.
so now it is clearer. However whilst waiting on the first tee this afternoon, who did I bump into, non other than the Div 2 winner, I explained the full day's events to him and his face was a picture.

oh the uncomplicated joys of golf.