Another Mass Shooting in the US

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You have to point the finger at the people who make the laws and they are very likely to be influenced by outside political and religious views.

It seems incredible to us that US presidents have taken advice from astrologers and evangelists.
It seems absurd that many Americans feel the need to carry guns but it's part of their constitution and culture.
A gun is a present that may be given on a teenager's 18th birthday, so you have to blame the parents as well.
What exactly is the point you are making ?

Is there a point or just on a stir
 

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We are told by the NRA that the answer to gun crime in the US is more guns including armed guards in every school.

"The Memorial Day weekend event is being billed by the National Rifle Association as a showcase of more than 14 acres of “the latest guns and gear,” with a “powerhouse lineup of political speakers.” On his social media platform, Truth Social, Trump confirmed on Wednesday he will appear."

Chilling.
 

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If reports on the news that the Police took 90 mins to go into the school is correct.
They need to change this policy.
Parents asking for vests and guns to enter themselves.
That’s shocking, it’s their job to protect and serve.
 

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If reports on the news that the Police took 90 mins to go into the school is correct.
They need to change this policy.
Parents asking for vests and guns to enter themselves.
That’s shocking, it’s their job to protect and serve.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61600914

He said officers entered the school four minutes after the gunman.
"They [didn't] make entry immediately because of the gunfire they were receiving," Mr Escalon told reporters.
But an hour lapsed before the gunman was killed in a shootout after US Border Patrol tactical teams arrived.
 

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I'm never quite sure whether I'm more shocked seeing cops with guns in US (I'm working in Missouri, which is one of the worst states for gun deaths), London where I have a base, or Australa which is home.
As for repealing the 2nd Amendment, that would be pointless. That Genie has been out of the bottle for a long time - and the gun lobby is simply too powerful anyway. Gun ranges are about as popular as Golf ranges!
 

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https://www.bbc.co.wasuk/news/world-us-canada-61600914

He said officers entered the school four minutes after the gunman.
"They [didn't] make entry immediately because of the gunfire they were receiving," Mr Escalon told reporters.
But an hour lapsed before the gunman was killed in a shootout after US Border Patrol tactical teams arrived.
Yes I thought they would not wait that long.
I take what I hear on the news with a pinch of salt now.
Thanks for clearing that up
 

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If reports on the news that the Police took 90 mins to go into the school is correct.
They need to change this policy.
Parents asking for vests and guns to enter themselves.
That’s shocking, it’s their job to protect and serve.
There is a reason why they have SWAT teams, your average American cop is not going to have the training, weapons, tactics or backup to enter a large building and deal with a shooter.
 

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Yes I thought they would not wait that long.
I take what I hear on the news with a pinch of salt now.
Thanks for clearing that up
I’m personally aware that officers who are not firearms trained are instructed to go to an RVP away from the scene to await further instructions until the specialist units have arrived.

That did of course rely on you hearing the message sending you to the RVP rather than responding to the scene…
 

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Stats suggest that school shootings in the US are over 50 times more common than elsewhere in the world.
Britain has had just the one.
What is awkward about this is the biological concept of the IN group and the OUT group.
Both consider themselves to be the good guys and that is either the NRA or those proposing strict controls.
 

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Stats suggest that school shootings in the US are over 50 times more common than elsewhere in the world.
Britain has had just the one.
What is awkward about this is the biological concept of the IN group and the OUT group.
Both consider themselves to be the good guys and that is either the NRA or those proposing strict controls.
I thought you said we were worse than the Septics
 

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I’m personally aware that officers who are not firearms trained are instructed to go to an RVP away from the scene to await further instructions until the specialist units have arrived.

That did of course rely on you hearing the message sending you to the RVP rather than responding to the scene…
I would have thought they are all firearms trained as they all carry guns!
At the very least they would contain a shooter and not let him roam around the school.
It might be tactical to do this but can understand the parents not understanding why they are doing it.
How many kids can he kill while waiting for the swat team?

But it’s totally down to the lunatic doing the shooting.
But the ease of getting an AR needs addressing.
 

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There is a reason why they have SWAT teams, your average American cop is not going to have the training, weapons, tactics or backup to enter a large building and deal with a shooter.
Considering how often this happens I would be asking “ why they have not had the training”
What’s the difference between a shooter in a liquor store and one in a school ?
But they want teachers to have guns in their desk to take him on.
 

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I’m personally aware that officers who are not firearms trained are instructed to go to an RVP away from the scene to await further instructions until the specialist units have arrived.

That did of course rely on you hearing the message sending you to the RVP rather than responding to the scene…
I would have thought they are all firearms trained as they all carry guns!
At the very least they would contain a shooter and not let him roam around the school.
It might be tactical to do this but can understand the parents not understanding why they are doing it.
How many kids can he kill while waiting for the swat team?

But it’s totally down to the lunatic doing the shooting.
But the ease of getting an AR needs addressing.
Sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant over here. Knowing that we do that over here, it wouldn't surprise me that they would hold position rather than go in; a sidearm versus an AR isn't a fair fight.
 

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Sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant over here. Knowing that we do that over here, it wouldn't surprise me that they would hold position rather than go in; a sidearm versus an AR isn't a fair fight.
The police stopping the parents are well armed with rifles strapped to their chests.
Not trying to blame anyone I am just struggling to see the logic of not going in asap.
I appreciate your not a US Cop.
But you have more knowledge of this than most of us.
 
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