And everyone says tm are the worst for de-lofting irons for distance.

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After struggling to make my mind up on what wedge lofts to order, i thought the best option was to look at the spec of my current stock p/w and then work my +2 wedges equally from there. While at it im also still considering a custom fit in march after i clear out my old bits and bobs so thought id look at other clubs in the same price brand to see whats what again to check the spacing of wedge lofts.

My current clubs are TM Burner 09 and on tm's site it states my wedge is 46*, i thought it was 47/48 but hey hoo atleast i know my loft.

http://www.taylormadegolf.com/mainlevel/golfshop/irons.html?IsPopUp=0#30

Now bearing in mind TM state these irons are for Mid-High h/c's i thought id look at mizzys JPX 800 & MP53 as these were short listed from the mizzy book

JPX800 44* - Mid to High cappers

http://golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons/jpx-800/

MP53 46* - Mid to low cappers

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk//newpost.php?Cat=0&Board=general&page=0

what i found funny is opting for something like a MP53 muscle back cavity which according to their site is aimed at mid-cappers, why is it their mid capper irons are the same loft as TM's last seasons GI cavity. Whats also interesting is everyone moans TM just add shaft length for distance - WRONG!!! All 3 models are 35.5" shaft.

So maybe dispite TM launching 50 models a season, their not actually that bad.
 
My new R9 TP's are 1.5 to 2 degrees softer than the Tour Burners I had before so I guess it depends on the handicap of the player that the clubs are aimed at. Eg Aimed at Better player irons have softer lofts ?

Wonder what its like between AP1s and AP2s - google here i come
 
according to pings site:

K15 - 45*
G15 - 45*
I15 - 46*
S56 - 47*

seems the ping lofts are strong than tm too, maybe them oldies need the stronger lofts to get the distance ;)
 
I always thought Wilson were the worst, never heard anyone picking on TM in perticular.

I think the comments about the higher H/C's sets are right.
Nearly all companies trick the lofts stronger on these.
 
swinger, the anti tm mod have always claimed TM just deloft or add shaft length for distance, but by the stats it would seem this isnt so.

Now the next arguement will no doubt be how accurate at these lofts. if one manufacture takes their stats from a difference reference point to another, you could argue all of these stats are infact poppycock.
 
swinger, the anti tm mod have always claimed TM just deloft or add shaft length for distance, but by the stats it would seem this isnt so.

Now the next arguement will no doubt be how accurate at these lofts. if one manufacture takes their stats from a difference reference point to another, you could argue all of these stats are infact poppycock.
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Never realised there was talk of longer shafts in irons. Heard a lot about this in the TM drivers though. Never sure if thats true or not.

I'm guessing the reference points must be standardised in someway otherwise poppycock is right!

If I had the time and the money I'd check all the measurements myself but I very much doubt I'll ever be in a position to do that.

I did have a quick look at the Mizuno timeline for the last 20 years of irons and in the blades a PW loft has gone from 49 (1990 TP10 & TP11) and 50 (1991 TP18) to 47 (2006 MP37 & 2009 MP68).

I guess it helps companies sell more wedges with these bigger gaps at the short end of the bag?!?!
 
Well the PW in the R9 TP (there so call players club) is 47 and 45 in the 2.0 burner. I guess that sort of ties in with Ping and Mizzy whereby the better player club has left loft presumably for more control
 
I guess the manufacturers are stuck with a problem. I'd happily buy a set that were more lofted if I hit them well, but I can't see many people swapping their 160 yard 7 iron set for a 155 yard one.
My Callaways are shorter than my Mizunos, but it rarely catches me out...I'm simply not good enough for it to cost shots, oh, and I tend to take more club anyway if in doubt.
 
I guess the manufacturers are stuck with a problem. I'd happily buy a set that were more lofted if I hit them well, but I can't see many people swapping their 160 yard 7 iron set for a 155 yard one.
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Why not. I only hit my 7 iron 140 (maybe 145 in summer) anyway. I don't really care what number it has as long as it is the right distance. For me it is abot knowing how far you hit each club and using whatever you need to get you to the green. I'd much rather go for a club with a decent ball flight (and the right shaft for me) and if that meant I had more loft then surely it has to be better for stopping them in the summer
 
Here you are OddSox,
This might clear up the issue a little....Its straight from the Mizzy Forum. ;)



http://www.mizunoforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1683
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Intersting points. Thanks for posting that.

Wishing I had my irons (MP68) weakened instead of strengthened now. Even one degree is noticable in the offset. Mainly asthetics I know but I did prefer my old MP37's behind the ball. Not overly sure what difference taking one degree of bounce off an iron is going to make but they seem to make it out to be a big deal.
 
I have always had an issue with WILSON delofting and wasn't too aware of TM doing it. According to Wilsons web site their Di7 PW is 43° which is similar to a Ping S58 9 iron.

Come to think of it, I think Ping should deloft their irons so the auld bugger who use them can keep a little bit of self respect in the distance steaks. ;)
 
I have always had an issue with WILSON delofting and wasn't too aware of TM doing it. According to Wilsons web site their Di7 PW is 43° which is similar to a Ping S58 9 iron.
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Was just about to post this, the Di7s are so strongly lofted it's actually amusing ;)
 
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