An extra club in the bag

[turkish]

Wee bit of a theoretical question as has happened in bounce game so wondered the outcome...

You've been on practice range so have 1 or 2 extra clubs than permitted in your bag, get to 1st tee so In a rush to get out you forget about this until:

A) just before you tee off you notice and tell PPers that you won't be using clubs x and y but you've got too many In the actual bag.. Is this still a DQ?

B) you notice after you tee off but again haven't used clubs x or y and say you won't be using them.... Is this still a DQ?

Obviously in option a you can run to car locker and put them in but assuming you don't have time and don't want to delay tee off

 

[Spuddy]

Wee bit of a theoretical question as has happened in bounce game so wondered the outcome...

You've been on practice range so have 1 or 2 extra clubs than permitted in your bag, get to 1st tee so In a rush to get out you forget about this until:

A) just before you tee off you notice and tell PPers that you won't be using clubs x and y but you've got too many In the actual bag.. Is this still a DQ?

B) you notice after you tee off but again haven't used clubs x or y and say you won't be using them.... Is this still a DQ?

Obviously in option a you can run to car locker and put them in but assuming you don't have time and don't want to delay tee off

neither is a DQ providing you don't use the club. Both would be a 2 stroke penalty

 

[delc]

neither is a DQ providing you don't use the club. Both would be a 2 stroke penalty

It's Rule 4-4. The two stroke penalty applies at each of the first two holes where the breach of the 14 club rule applies, that is a maximum of 4 penalty strokes.

 

[chrisd]

I stand to be corrected but I understood that if you agree to leave them in the bag before you go out and your playing partners agree then you are agreeing to break the rules of golf and are DQ'd.

I may be wrong

 

[Break90]

i may well be perpetuating a myth, but i understood that you can declare a club (and presumably clubs) 'out of play' before you start your round, and as long as you don't use them there is no penalty.

i also may well be wrong

 

[Spuddy]

Guys have a look at decision 4-4c/1. You can't carry an extra club without penalty even if you declare it out of play. If you declare it then it's a 2 shot penalty, providing you do so before you tee off on the 2nd hole. Otherwise it's a 4 shot penalty (in stroke play). If you use it after you declare it then it's a DQ.

 

[rosecott]

i may well be perpetuating a myth, but i understood that you can declare a club (and presumably clubs) 'out of play' before you start your round, and as long as you don't use them there is no penalty.

i also may well be wrong

[h=2]4-4c/1[/h] [h=4]Excess Club Declared Out of Play Before Round and Placed on Floor of Golf Cart[/h] Q.Before the start of a round, a player discovers that there are 15 clubs in his golf bag. He declares one of the clubs out of play, removes it from his bag, places it on the floor of his golf cart and begins the round. Is the player subject to penalty?

A.Yes, for starting the round with more than 14 clubs. Rule 4-4c has to do with declaring an excess club out of play on discovery of a breach after a round has started. There is nothing in the Rules to permit carrying, during a round, an excess club declared out of play before the round.

 

[duncan mackie]

i may well be perpetuating a myth, but i understood that you can declare a club (and presumably clubs) 'out of play' before you start your round, and as long as you don't use them there is no penalty.

i also may well be wrong

You are correct in that you may be perpetuating a myth and that you are wrong...have a look at 4-4c/1 for clarification

Edit - as posted at the time I was composing!

 

[Break90]

every day's a school day, thanks for the info

 

[Region3]

You are correct in that you may be perpetuating a myth and that you are wrong...have a look at 4-4c/1 for clarification

Edit - as posted at the time I was composing!

But in that decision the round hasn't started. Is the penalty because you can't carry a 15th club even if it's been spotted and declared as such?

Can you avoid the penalty by dumping the extra club before you tee off the first?

 

[Spuddy]

But in that decision the round hasn't started. Is the penalty because you can't carry a 15th club even if it's been spotted and declared as such?

Can you avoid the penalty by dumping the extra club before you tee off the first?

Of course. If you don't have it in your possession when you tee off then there's no penalty.

 

[rulefan]

Is the penalty because you can't carry a 15th club even if it's been spotted and declared as such?

The penalty is specifically for starting the round with more than 14 clubs.

See the first sentence of rule 4-4a
http://usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Rule-04/#4-4

 

[Slab]

Just for kicks...

If you start with a 15th club then penalty, all clear, but if you take it out of the bag on 1st tee and lay it on the ground then no penalty, still clear

But what if you then pick it up again after playing 9th green and on the way to 10th tee... is there a penalty? (I'm looking at their being no penalty for picking up a club you find on the course obviously)

And secondly would it make any difference if it was an PP that picked it up at the turn (& I mean a playing partner not FC)

 

[Spuddy]

Just for kicks...

If you start with a 15th club then penalty, all clear, but if you take it out of the bag on 1st tee and lay it on the ground then no penalty, still clear

But what if you then pick it up again after playing 9th green and on the way to 10th tee... is there a penalty? (I'm looking at their being no penalty for picking up a club you find on the course obviously)

And secondly would it make any difference if it was an PP that picked it up at the turn (& I mean a playing partner not FC)

The decision relating to finding clubs on the course relates only to find other player's clubs. If its one that you left out before the round then it would be a penalty. In the extremely unlikely event that you found your own club that you lost on a previous round then I believe in equity you would be allowed to retrieve it penalty free providing you didn't use it.

If your partner was aware that you had left a club for him to pick up later then I'm afraid it would be a penalty for him (assuming he already had 14 clubs).

 

[Colin L]

Just for kicks...

If you start with a 15th club then penalty, all clear, but if you take it out of the bag on 1st tee and lay it on the ground then no penalty, still clear

But what if you then pick it up again after playing 9th green and on the way to 10th tee... is there a penalty? (I'm looking at their being no penalty for picking up a club you find on the course obviously)

And secondly would it make any difference if it was an PP that picked it up at the turn (& I mean a playing partner not FC)

Check the wording of Rule 4-4a (my bold type):

The player must not start a stipulated round with more than fourteen clubs. He is limited to the clubs thus selected for that round, except that if he started with fewer than fourteen clubs, he may add any number, provided his total number does not exceed fourteen.

If you pick up that club, you are adding to the 14 already selected.

 

[Slab]

Cheers gents, so basically its the same as adding (to excess) to your clubs during a round

 

[Colin L]

Cheers gents, so basically its the same as adding (to excess) to your clubs during a round

:thup: