America and its extraordinary gun laws

JohnnyDee

JohnnyDee

Tour Winner
Joined
Feb 15, 2015
Messages
2,831
Location
Berkshire
Visit site
In view of today's latest tragedy in Virginia.

What on earth is the matter with them? How can it be in any way sensible to allow almost unhindered access to firearms to the general public?

How many more people must lose their lives pointlessly just to pander to the John Wayne wannabes gun lobby moronic cretins, before their government finally does something meaningful to stop this utter utter utter senseless madness?
 
Last edited:
I don't think any gun law is going to stop one single individual pulling out a handgun.

America's gun law issues are far greater when you can posses an automatic machine gun!!!
 
My other half has relatives in Houston and they are brought up in the gun culture. You can even go and buy bullets in Wal-Mart.
They cling to the constitution and their answer to situations such as this is get more guns to defend yourself. It's an endless circle.

My "nephew" actually put a video on Facebook from the Pro-Gun lobby, horribly doctored and totally out of context, that seemed to intimate that the British were in favour of guns for hunting (they actually used film from the pro-fox hunting lobby and made it out to be gun hunting) and then had an alleged "policeman" in silhouette who claimed that most policeman wanted guns. Funny that, I have a few police and ex police friends and none of them feel that way. I had to go on and tell him politely but firmly that the whole video was a total fabrication and bore no resemblance to the mood in the UK.

Obama says it was his greatest regret he couldn't restrain the gun laws but when the Pro-Gun lobby even blocked it after all those children were killed in a school, what hope do they have.

The death rates in the States from firearm related deaths are shockingly high compared to other countries and certainly amongst the more "civilised" (and I use that term loosely) countries. But it's not going to change. The killings today where carried out using a hand gun and they can't even get semi-automatics banned.

Funnily enough, the Pro-Gun lobby never bring up figures like these :angry:

http://www.humanosphere.org/science...eaths-comparing-the-u-s-to-rest-of-the-world/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
 
I'm sure someone in the US will crunch the numbers and find out that criminals shooting other criminals far outweighs the loss of life of 'good' people... so therefore America mostly cleanses itself!!
 
They'll never get rid of guns in America. Its their "god damn American right " to have a gun!!!!!

Bunch of knobs!!!!
 
Yes, it is to me one of the most extraordinary examples of something so obviously wrong to be so ingrained in a country's culture that they really can't see the wood for the trees. They rank the affront to their "freedom and constitutional right" much higher than the clearly preventable deaths of many of their citizens, sometimes in the most senseless and pointless way. There again, I read somewhere that 40% of Americans believe the bible literally and think the earth is <10,000 years old. I understand some states still teach creationism as truth and evolution as "just a theory". There's not much hope really for any change anytime soon. I'm glad I'm European and live this side of the pond.
 
[video=youtube_share;HTyQ4Q8z-D8]https://youtu.be/HTyQ4Q8z-D8[/video]

Contains some bleeped out sweary words if you are easily offended, but it is very good.
 
Last edited:
drive4show said:
Unfortunately this is the mentality of the pro gun lobby, it is absolutely pointless trying to reason with guys like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg

Piers Morgan tried to push to have the laws changed and became one of the most hated men in America :confused:
Click to expand...

Piers Morgan is one of the most hated men in the world because he is a grade A idiot
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Tarkus1212 said:
Piers Morgan is one of the most hated men in the world because he is a grade A idiot
Click to expand...

I would agree that he is a mostly obnoxious person, but I admire him for having the balls to raise this subject in the US where he would be pretty aware of the reaction it would get. As there are many spineless politicians over there who dare not say what he did.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
The gun lobby has bought much of Congress so there is next to no chance of serious change. It is only a couple of months since Texas put their national guard on alert because the US Army was pn manoeuvres near their state border and some feared that were there to take over the state.
 
Anyone remember Dunblane? Or Hungerford?

There are nutters all over the world and it's not that difficult to get access to firearms - anywhere.

US just has a lot more of them as it's both much bigger than most other countries and the gun culture is so ingrained! I'm afraid there's no way, in the near future, that the 2nd Amendment is going to be modified - even though, I believe, it has been (deliberately) mis-interpreted for decades!
 
Foxholer said:
Anyone remember Dunblane? Or Hungerford?

There are nutters all over the world and it's not that difficult to get access to firearms - anywhere.

US just has a lot more of them as it's both much bigger than most other countries and the gun culture is so ingrained! I'm afraid there's no way, in the near future, that the 2nd Amendment is going to be modified - even though, I believe, it has been (deliberately) mis-interpreted for decades!
Click to expand...

The second amendment allows a militia to bear arms to defend "the people". It does not give individuals the right to bear arms for the sake of it. Sadly this will not be implemented properly because Republicans hold too many votes and Democrats aren't strong enough to force it through.
 
Personally i have no problems with "the right to bear arms" everyone should have the right to buy a gun .. after vetting ,

The ease at which they can be bought is the problem , but as Ethan says the Gun Lobby crew have too much financial clout ,

if they havent changed it by now i dread to think what would need to happen for it ever to be banned ..
 
Too late to change it now, there are way too many guns in circulation. More than there are people, apparently. If they didn't get handed in, what do you do? Lock everyone up?
 
I for one loved the argument(s) that if the now deceased reporters were armed they could have fought back or in fact the notion that they "may" have been armed been enough to scare the guy off the idea of killing them.

Most powerful nation on the planet.....how frightening.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top