Allowing play on competition course between rounds of club championship strokepl

[FionaMc]

There don't seem to be too many posts here on the rules but the discussion seems to be lively enough!

While revising our conditions of competition for 2016 the question arose whether or not to permit play on the competition course between the 2 rounds of our senior club championship strokeplay.
Why would we do that, well, it seems that some of the men still have the energy after 18 holes, to play another round (9 or 18holes) and obviously according to the rules they are in breach of 7-1.
The note to this rule allows the committee to permit play and I am interested in your thoughts as to the pro's and con's here.
The older members are not all as competitive as the younger members and it's not clear to us what advantage they would gain at their level of play by playing between rounds. If the pin position changes, it's normally the following morning before the 2nd round.
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[Foxholer]

It would make sense to allow further play - after the competition - on Day 1, but prohibit play prior to the competition, on Day 2 (as well as Day 1 of course).

This would allow those who wanted to do so, to play more than just the 18 holes of competition, but would apply the sensibly fair 'no practice on the course before a Strokeplay competition' rule for both days.

And once their 2nd round is complete, there's no reason to prevent them from further play!

As if they don't get enough Golf!!

 

[fundy]

IF they want to play more golf let them play more golf up to the point the pin changes are made

 

[Three]

No, it's standard practices that further play is not allowed after round 1.

Depends how "professionally run" you want the tournament to be.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No, it's standard practices that further play is not allowed after round 1.

Depends how "professionally run" you want the tournament to be.

Agree with the first 2 replies, whether or not they allow play extra play between rounds will not detract from how "professionally run" the comp is.
The PGA etc don't allow shorts on comp days, should they ban them for the comp as well?
It's a seniors comp, let them enjoy it.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Let them play if they want.

To be honest, I know it's a rule of golf but I'm not even sure that letting most of us play the course before the comp would make any difference. Knowing where the pins are is one thing, actually hitting the shots is another thing entirely and it isn't like we haven't played to the pins before wherever they are put. As amateurs we either play well or we don't and playing the course before a comp doesn't equate to playing well in a comp.

 

[Colin L]

A principal reason for not allowing practice on a competition course on the morning of the competition or between rounds of a competition is that it is impracticable for the whole field to do so, and so no-one should be able to, thereby ensuring equal opportunity (or rather lack of it!) across the field. I would advise against permitting practice because it is inequitable.

Match play is different in that it is reasonable to say that it is feasible that two or four players can practice.

 

[bladeplayer]

To the OP , Welcome to the Forum ,

Id be all for practice away until pins are changed for next days comp ..



when you go into the RULES OF GOLF section before u select a thread , scroll down to bottom of page & change your settings to show threads for a longer period ie 2 weeks , 1 month & you will see more rules discussions

 

[Deleted member 16999]

A principal reason for not allowing practice on a competition course on the morning of the competition or between rounds of a competition is that it is impracticable for the whole field to do so, and so no-one should be able to, thereby ensuring equal opportunity (or rather lack of it!) across the field. I would advise against permitting practice because it is inequitable.

Match play is different in that it is reasonable to say that it is feasible that two or four players can practice.

Obviously bow to your knowledge Colin, but in this instance it is the Seniors from their own Club, surely they all already know the course and saying anyone can practise is equitable.
Maybe interesting to know how many enter the comp and if time allows all to get said opportunity.

 

[Three]

whether or not they allow play extra play between rounds will not detract from how "professionally run" the comp is

Of course it will.

Proper tournaments, both amateur and pro, normally prohibit play on the course between rounds.

 

[Imurg]

Let them play if they want.

To be honest, I know it's a rule of golf but I'm not even sure that letting most of us play the course before the comp would make any difference. Knowing where the pins are is one thing, actually hitting the shots is another thing entirely and it isn't like we haven't played to the pins before wherever they are put. As amateurs we either play well or we don't and playing the course before a comp doesn't equate to playing well in a comp.

My view entirely.

With regard to Matchplay...if I'm playing CVG in the club singles at 12.04, he, being retired, has the opportunity to get to the course at 9 and play a few holes. I, on the other hand, having to work until 11.30, will only get to the club at 11.40 and will barely have the chance to hit a few putts...

If there is to be a rule preventing play before a Comp round then it should apply to both forms of the game
It being feasible that players could practice, in reality I suspect, few will actually have the chance.

 

[Colin L]

Obviously bow to your knowledge Colin, but in this instance it is the Seniors from their own Club, surely they all already know the course and saying anyone can practise is equitable.
Maybe interesting to know how many enter the comp and if time allows all to get said opportunity.

It would be the same in all club competitions that players already know the course, wouldn’t you say? That might influence the committee into thinking that practice the night before or the morning of the second round did not give an advantage. The only reason the players would be practising, however, would be that they perceived an advantage to be gained.

As I said, I think it is only equitable if everyone has the same opportunity to practise. If the field is large enough that it would be impossible for everyone to fit into the time available, it is inequitable. If the field were small enough that there would be time for everyone to have the same opportunity, then that could be a bit different.

 

[fundy]

It would be the same in all club competitions that players already know the course, wouldn’t you say? That might influence the committee into thinking that practice the night before or the morning of the second round did not give an advantage. The only reason the players would be practising, however, would be that they perceived an advantage to be gained.

As I said, I think it is only equitable if everyone has the same opportunity to practise. If the field is large enough that it would be impossible for everyone to fit into the time available, it is inequitable. If the field were small enough that there would be time for everyone to have the same opportunity, then that could be a bit different.

Disagree, some people just want to play more golf, theyre not really practising just want to play a few more holes but this rule stops them doing so

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Of course it will.

Proper tournaments, both amateur and pro, normally prohibit play on the course between rounds.

We know rules are rules, except when we ignore them, but this is a Club Comp were the players know the course and apart from accepting what Colin said about it possibly being unequitable I can't see an issue.

 

[rulefan]

The CONGU table seems to make no exception for the note to rule 7-1. Which suggests the second round scores would not be acceptable for handicapping

 

[TheJezster]

I see no reason to not let them play. It's not harming anyone.

 

[rulefan]

I see no reason to not let them play. It's not harming anyone.

Except possibly their handicaps

 

[Colin L]

The CONGU table seems to make no exception for the note to rule 7-1. Which suggests the second round scores would not be acceptable for handicapping

Since it is within the Rules for the Committee to permit practice between the rounds of a competition, the second round would have been played according to the Rules if the Committee so permitted. Would you not agree that any competition round played within the rules can be a qualifying round?

 

[rulefan]

Since it is within the Rules for the Committee to permit practice between the rounds of a competition, the second round would have been played according to the Rules if the Committee so permitted. Would you not agree that any competition round played within the rules can be a qualifying round?

Possibly but the CONGU make no reference to the note as an exception.

 

[palindromicbob]

The CONGU table seems to make no exception for the note to rule 7-1. Which suggests the second round scores would not be acceptable for handicapping

Does that table not just show when scores are not acceptable following disqualification.

Just prior to the table.

The following are situations when the player has been disqualified, where a score shall not be regarded as a correct score. The score must be regarded as a ‘No Return’ and a handicap increase of 0.1 shall be applied to the Exact Handicap, unless the CSS calculates as CSS=SSS+3 R/O.

So breech of 7-1 leading to DQ would mean the second score can not be considered.

If the note to 7-1 has been applied by the committee to allow someone to play the course after the first round but not before the round on the second day then someone playing the course that evening would not be in breech of 7-1, so can't be DQ and that table is irrelevant.