A ray of hope for all high handicappers

[patricks148]

Played on Saturday with a guy who started the year off as an 18 handicap.

He is now down to 10 and as its scotland no ESR's ( i'm sure if he was a member at an English Club he would be off 4 or 5 judging by some of the cuts you guys down there are getting)

He has won 3 or more medals and the club handicap championship, as well as a few stableford comps.

An older chap and would say late 60's and has played for a long time and never been lower than 15 in that time.

What was the key for him, i asked? he finally gave up trying to use irons!!!!

it was not pretty i have to say but very effective, he had a PW and a SW and a 9 iron for chipping, but that was it for irons.

Oh and there was a 9 wood in there as well.

and i have to say he putted very well indeed.

so theres hope for everyone:thup:

 

[Foxholer]

Played on Saturday with a guy who started the year off as an 18 handicap.

He is now down to 10 and as its scotland no ESR's ( i'm sure if he was a member at an English Club he would be off 4 or 5 judging by some of the cuts you guys down there are getting)

He has won 3 or more medals and the club handicap championship, as well as a few stableford comps.

ESRs are simply a tool to improve the consistency of application of cuts outside those directly from competitions.

So any suggestion that a player would be cut by ESRs more than he has been by the Handicap Committee is actually a criticism of the Handicap Committee imo! Though if that's the pattern across all of Scotland, there is 'National consistency'.

ESRs don't need to be applied - but I can't see any real reason why they wouldn't be.

 

[garyinderry]

any idea what his whole bag set up is?


sounds also like his short game has improved along with a healthy dose of course management.


fair play to him. he has found what works best for his game.

 

[patricks148]

any idea what his whole bag set up is?


sounds also like his short game has improved along with a healthy dose of course management.


fair play to him. he has found what works best for his game.

Not really but there were plenty of head covers and a 9 wood, i only saw him use an iron twice in 18 holes and one of those was out of a bunker.

He putted pretty much anything inside 50 yards.

He reckoned everything had clicked this year.

 

[garyinderry]

Not really but there were plenty of head covers and a 9 wood, i only saw him use an iron twice in 18 holes and one of those was out of a bunker.

He putted pretty much anything inside 50 yards.

He reckoned everything had clicked this year.

he may stick to the links for the next 7 months or so. you woudnt get away with that short game approach around lee park at the minute.


he sounds like someone who has let go of his ego. plays the way he knows he can get the ball around in the least amount of shots. a chap many could learn from. :thup:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My school friend's father played all of his working life between 5 and 8 handicap.
He retired aged 68 off about 8 handicap and within two years played off 2.
He played to single figures in his 80's and died on the golf course [playing 18 holes] in his early 90's.
He was a club legend.

 

[harpo_72]

Played on Saturday with a guy who started the year off as an 18 handicap.

He is now down to 10 and as its scotland no ESR's ( i'm sure if he was a member at an English Club he would be off 4 or 5 judging by some of the cuts you guys down there are getting)

He has won 3 or more medals and the club handicap championship, as well as a few stableford comps.

An older chap and would say late 60's and has played for a long time and never been lower than 15 in that time.

What was the key for him, i asked? he finally gave up trying to use irons!!!!

it was not pretty i have to say but very effective, he had a PW and a SW and a 9 iron for chipping, but that was it for irons.

Oh and there was a 9 wood in there as well.

and i have to say he putted very well indeed.

so theres hope for everyone:thup:

Then that pretty much sums a) your handicap system , and b) the course....

 

[chrisd]

ESRs are simply a tool to improve the consistency of application of cuts outside those directly from competitions.

So any suggestion that a player would be cut by ESRs more than he has been by the Handicap Committee is actually a criticism of the Handicap Committee imo! Though if that's the pattern across all of Scotland, there is 'National consistency'.

ESRs don't need to be applied - but I can't see any real reason why they wouldn't be.

Wern't ESR's introduced when club secretary's stopped allowing golf committees to Rule 19 (clause 23?) players who were blitzing courses by arguing that the computer takes care of handicap cuts. If anyone beat the course record (nett) at our place we always looked at their history and often applied a further cut if we felt their play warranted it but now the ESR is said to do the same job.

The only query for me is that we were obliged to cut by one whole stroke minimum but now the ESR can be less than that?

 

[patricks148]

Then that pretty much sums a) your handicap system , and b) the course....

yep, at least he didn't have to be given any freee shots, achived all his cuts himself.:ears:

 

[harpo_72]

yep, at least he didn't have to be given any freee shots, achived all his cuts himself.:ears:

:rofl:... your money ... not mine

 

[patricks148]

:rofl:... your money ... not mine

I don't begrudge him the Odd £3 entry fee, plus he was in a diff cat untill the last couple few midweek comps, that i didn't play in anyway.

Another way to look at it he would be lower that you if he played at your club:thup:

 

[harpo_72]

Another way to look at it he would be lower that you if he played at your club:thup:

Doubt it ... I would have been mugged the way I was carrying on, thankfully I have sorted out my behaviour ... well till next season anyway! Plus he may have struggled off the tees, if your not flying the ball 220 yards + it will roll back at you and if you don't hit the greens on the fly, you'll go shooting through ... otherwise my place is pretty easy on the old boys (the bar is well cosy)

 

[Kellfire]

Best drop at my club this year a 17 year old who started last winter. 28 to 12 in about four months.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This is only my 5th season playing golf

I have gone from starting at 26 to 5 in that period.

It's easily achievable for anyone who wants to do it.

 

[Foxholer]

Wern't ESR's introduced when club secretary's stopped allowing golf committees to Rule 19 (clause 23?) players who were blitzing courses by arguing that the computer takes care of handicap cuts. If anyone beat the course record (nett) at our place we always looked at their history and often applied a further cut if we felt their play warranted it but now the ESR is said to do the same job.

The only query for me is that we were obliged to cut by one whole stroke minimum but now the ESR can be less than that?

Well, it's 'sort of'!

Firstly, it's not 'golf Committee' that does the cutting. It's (well, should be) the Handicap Committee - which also may also include 'Match' - and the H'Cap Secy should be the Convener of that. Also it was to establish consistency - some H/Ss refused Rule 19/23, others cut and slashed as if there was no tomorrow. SGU were dubious about the benefits and were happy that their H/Ss did a good/consistent job. Fair enough, though P148's (rare) example rather disproves that - at least across UK.

 

[patricks148]

Well, it's 'sort of'!

Firstly, it's not 'golf Committee' that does the cutting. It's (well, should be) the Handicap Committee - which also may also include 'Match' - and the H'Cap Secy should be the Convener of that. Also it was to establish consistency - some H/Ss refused Rule 19/23, others cut and slashed as if there was no tomorrow. SGU were dubious about the benefits and were happy that their H/Ss did a good/consistent job. Fair enough, though P148's (rare) example rather disproves that - at least across UK.

how did you come to the conclusion the the handicap sec in this instance has not done a good job??

The guys has been cut 8 shots in 5 months and he's a guys well into his 60's thats played his whole life and never been lower than 15 before.

you don't know what any scores are, or results in comps?