9 Hole comp on 18 hole course - supplementary card???

[Farneyman]

Just a quick query. We are now allowed to play a comp on the first 9 holes of 18 and you can carry on playing as many more as you like if you wish (only the first 9 count for handicap)

My query is - is there a rule against nominating the round as a supplementary card and then continue playing 10-18 in medal conditions for handicap.

 

[Jacko_G]

Yes, its a specific 9 hole competition.

Great idea these.

 

[rulefan]

Just a quick query. We are now allowed to play a comp on the first 9 holes of 18 and you can carry on playing as many more as you like if you wish (only the first 9 count for handicap)

My query is - is there a rule against nominating the round as a supplementary card and then continue playing 10-18 in medal conditions for handicap.

Edit.
Ignore what I wrote before.

I can't see a prohibition to playing a 9 hole qualifier and then continuing with a 18 hole supplementary.
Certainly the regs permit a supplementary to be played on the same day as a comp.
But it doesn't feel right.
I will check.

 

[Colin L]

Have I got this right? You want to enter the 9 hole competition, but instead of that being for handicap you want to play a full 18 holes as a supplementary card for handicap. I can't think of any regulation that would get in the way of doing it (though maybe someone else can) but would be inclined to want a club rule to disallow it simply because of the extra hassle. The player doing this couldn't enter his 9 hole score in the computer but his card would have to be included in the 9 hole comp and then dealt with as a supplementary. I'd be saying, look we organise 9 hole comps to accommodate members who find it difficult to get the time for 18 holes etc. Make use of it and get your handicap adjustment from it. If you want to put in a supplementary another day, do that. A view, entirely based on the consideration that a club depends on the hard work of unpaid volunteers and the more straightforward we keep matters, the better.

 

[duncan mackie]

I'm also slightly confused as to the question...but would raise the following principles

You can't designate a non qualifying competition round as a supplemental - it's considered that if it was suitable as a supplemental it would be played as a Q comp.

If the 9 holes is a Q 9 hole event you wouldn't be able to include those holes in a supplemental because you would be double counting the score of the front 9 for handicap.

There's also the issue of whether the 9 holes is a measured course with a rating - I dont believe you can just halve the just halve the SSS.

I haven't double checked the latest 9 hole CONGU rules, and am dealing with as is not what may be next year if they are changing again (i think they are).

 

[rosecott]

As Duncan says, there are specific rules for 9-hole competitions and it's not simply half your handicap and half the SSS. You have to apply for a 9-hole SSS for the nominated 9 holes and your handicap for the competition is derived from your exact handicap applied to a chart which the club will receive when the SSS is issued. 18 points is added to your 9-hole stableford score to give the score to be assessed against the SSS for handicap purposes. Sounds a bit complicated but your handicapping software does all the work for you.

I suspect that the club meant you can carry on playing after the 9 holes just means that the comp is over and you can do what you like. I also suspect that the advice from the National Union will be that you can't use your first 9 score twice for a qualifier.

 

[rulefan]

I also suspect that the advice from the National Union will be that you can't use your first 9 score twice for a qualifier.

I am awaiting a response from EG but my 'authorities' are away.

 

[Farneyman]

Thanks for the replies. Had a chat with some members about how the handicap is worked out for the 9 holes and although it seems complicated at first it makes sense.

Also to clarify I didn't want to use the first nine twice, just to play the 9 hole comp then continue on to 18 for a supplementary.

Anyway 5 over after 2 holes didn't help closely followed by a couple of lost balls meant it will be a simple .1 Not sure if I'm a fan of these 9 holer comps. At least if it was 18 holes I would have felt I had a chance to pull some shots back...a poor start today and I felt I had run out of holes straightaway and no chance to get it back.

Thanks again.

 

[backwoodsman]

Thanks for the replies. Had a chat with some members about how the handicap is worked out for the 9 holes and although it seems complicated at first it makes sense.

Also to clarify I didn't want to use the first nine twice, just to play the 9 hole comp then continue on to 18 for a supplementary.

Anyway 5 over after 2 holes didn't help closely followed by a couple of lost balls meant it will be a simple .1 Not sure if I'm a fan of these 9 holer comps. At least if it was 18 holes I would have felt I had a chance to pull some shots back...a poor start today and I felt I had run out of holes straightaway and no chance to get it back.

Thanks again.

If I'm understanding what others have said correctly, you would be counting the nine twice. You entered a qualifying 9 hole comp, for which the score will be used for handicapping on a nine hole basis. But the 18 hole supplementary will also include the 9 hole score. The only way not to use it twice would be to disregard the comp score for handicapping on the 9 hole basis - which I guess ain't allowed.

 

[BTatHome]

Are you asking about using 1-9 as the 9 hole qualifier, and then 10-18 as a 9 hole supplementary card?

 

[Farneyman]

Are you asking about using 1-9 as the 9 hole qualifier, and then 10-18 as a 9 hole supplementary card?

No. Not sure what the rules on a nine hole supplementary card would be?

I think the best thing for me to do will be just go out and play 18 some evening and nominate that for a supplementary and just keep the 9 hole comps separate.

 

[DCB]

A Supplementary has to be over 18 holes if I remember right.

 

[turkish]

how does calculations work for handicap on 9 holes? Is it just the same then double... can see problem with this as far easier to play a good 9 holes than a good 18 holes- for amateurs there would be a diminishing return the more holes you play- especially higher handicappers

 

[DCB]

how does calculations work for handicap on 9 holes? Is it just the same then double... can see problem with this as far easier to play a good 9 holes than a good 18 holes- for amateurs there would be a diminishing return the more holes you play- especially higher handicappers

Assuming the 9 hole course has been rated etc, it's a case of entering your scores for holes 1-9. Holes 10-18 are in effect scored as 18 stableford points. No CSS is calculated, any handicap changes are worked out against SSS.

 

[turkish]

Assuming the 9 hole course has been rated etc, it's a case of entering your scores for holes 1-9. Holes 10-18 are in effect scored as 18 stableford points. No CSS is calculated, any handicap changes are worked out against SSS.

Yeah so effectively would be easier to get a lower handicap as it's assuming you would get 18 points on the back 9 which is not exactly predictable.

 

[duncan mackie]

Yeah so effectively would be easier to get a lower handicap as it's assuming you would get 18 points on the back 9 which is not exactly predictable.

No - it's more complicated than this because you don't get 50% of your handicap either - there's a formulae around the 9 hole rating, par and handicap. In practice it works fairly accurately across the board (we have 9 hole rated options).

You also need to consider that if you have shot 24 points on 9 holes and are 'on fire' you can't better a measly 18 on the back....bummer You just have to go out and do it again the next time!

 

[turkish]

Ahh ok I thought it would be calculated differently.

 

[Old Skier]

For 9 hole qualifiers your club should have applied for and received the relevant information regarding how handicaps standard scratch etc are applied to that particular nine holes from CONGU.

Nine hole supplementary cards don't come into effect until next year is my understanding.

 

[rulefan]

I can confirm that 9 hole qualifier cannot be combined with the next 9 holes to make an 18 hole supplementary.
Apart from anything else, if the 9 holes produces a handicap adjustment how can it be applied to the 18?

However, from next year the player can play a 9 hole qualifier followed by a 9 hole supplementary.
Or presumably in reverse if the note to 7-1b is enacted.