Rugby Thread

[Blue in Munich]

England deserved to lose today, they were dreadful in the second half. That said, shocker from the ref for that first try

Would they have had such a dreadful second half if they hadn't been screwed over by the referee in the first half?

 

[Leftitshort]

England deserved to lose today, they were dreadful in the second half. That said, shocker from the ref for that first try

Got back to 24 all & blew it from there. Their discipline is terrible

 

[Deleted member 1147]

You were saying

I was right, the team were wrong ?

 

[Val]

Would they have had such a dreadful second half if they hadn't been screwed over by the referee in the first half?

The game was in their hands and they dropped it, got back to 24-24 and blew it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I almost found myself rooting for England and I’m not sure why ?

 

[hairball_89]

The game was in their hands and they dropped it, got back to 24-24 and blew it.

Absolutely. To get back to 24-24 after the first half was excellent. To then hand it to Wales on a plate was atrocious.

Wales 100% deserved winners and almost certainly would have won the game without the refereeing help in the first half, however it doesn't detract on how bad the ref was!

 

[Piece]

England's discipline has been an issue for a few years now. Can't win games if you are dishing out 10+ penalties a game. Best team won but that ref had a 'Lee Mason'.

 

[Val]

Absolutely. To get back to 24-24 after the first half was excellent. To then hand it to Wales on a plate was atrocious.

Wales 100% deserved winners and almost certainly would have won the game without the refereeing help in the first half, however it doesn't detract on how bad the ref was!

I don't believe Wales deserves to win it but England absolutely deserve to lose.

 

[bobmac]

In general....
Two things I've noticed that seems wrong.
1. The backs rarely get the ball and when they do, they're standing still.
2. Tackling should be round the hips then slide down. A man can't run without his legs.
I was told this in 1971 in 1st year rugby

 

[Grizzly]

Wales 100% deserved winners and almost certainly would have won the game without the refereeing help in the first half

Really? They were gifted two tries that should never have been allowed, as well as some very marginal penalty calls. I think there is just as good of an argument that England would have been out of sight and killed the game in that situation.

 

[AmandaJR]

Really? They were gifted two tries that should never have been allowed, as well as some very marginal penalty calls. I think there is just as good of an argument that England would have been out of sight and killed the game in that situation.

I think it's likely we'd have been out of sight by half time and controlled things from then on. Hard to know the impact of the frustration at the referee on performance and discipline. He should be held to account for his decision-making and would love to see what he says about the first try as it is clear he gestured time off and checked where the England players were before time on - so he was aware they weren't in position.

But...to get back level and then play so poorly is a really poor show and from then on that part of the game has to question the coach and players.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

In general....
Two things I've noticed that seems wrong.
1. The backs rarely get the ball and when they do, they're standing still.
2. Tackling should be round the hips then slide down. A man can't run without his legs.
I was told this in 1971 in 1st year rugby

But a man can offload the ball when tackled around the legs, thus letting his teammate through the gap.

 

[bobmac]

But a man can offload the ball when tackled around the legs, thus letting his teammate through the gap.

The tackler has teamates too

 

[MegaSteve]

In trying to take a positive out of a whole lot of negativity...

Yesterdays result might speed up changes in 'management'... Hopefully...

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The tackler has teamates too

A tackle around the ankles also helps in producing fast rucks, whereas a dominant tackle which prevents the offload, also puts the attack on the back foot.

 

[Captainron]

A tackle around the ankles also helps in producing fast rucks, whereas a dominant tackle which prevents the offload, also puts the attack on the back foot.

Correct. The All Blacks are absolute masters of offloading in the tackle. Makes it really tough to stop them going forward sometimes. They obviously have to ensure their support play and handling skills are top notch.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

In general....
Two things I've noticed that seems wrong.
1. The backs rarely get the ball and when they do, they're standing still.
2. Tackling should be round the hips then slide down. A man can't run without his legs.
I was told this in 1971 in 1st year rugby

Regarding point 2, I remember being told, and shown, the same in 1981. Since then coaches have taken the better parts of rugby league defending and so, as others have pointed out, stop or slow down the offload. It's an evolution of the game.

 

[USER1999]

It wouldn't change the result, but I wonder why England have not complained about the referee, and the decision that lead up to the first try.

 

[Grizzly]

It wouldn't change the result, but I wonder why England have not complained about the referee, and the decision that lead up to the first try.

They're in an impossible position. They are already paying with a target on their backs - both from other teams who always want to raise their game against what is perceived as the colonial enemy and from referees. There is no action that World Rugby are going to take, so putting in a complaint just means that there is one more thing for Gauzere to hold against us next time we have to play to him.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Correct. The All Blacks are absolute masters of offloading in the tackle. Makes it really tough to stop them going forward sometimes. They obviously have to ensure their support play and handling skills are top notch.

Sounds like Rugby League to me?