5th Division for English Football

[Doon frae Troon]

Looks interesting.

Talking of including Celtic and Rangers.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...rs-join-english-set-up_sto5578176/story.shtml

 

[Grogger]

Can't see them joining in my opinion.

Would the fans want them to?

 

[pbrown7582]

No thanks.

we don't want them down here.

 

[Piece]

No thanks. If, and a BIG IF, it happened, where would that leave the Scottish football league?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't think it would ever happen - the clubs wouldn't want to give up their European Football

 

[Liverbirdie]

Don't think it would ever happen - the clubs wouldn't want to give up their European Football

I dunno, as a business and football club, if you had a plan that could potentially quadruple your turnover in 5-6 years, for a few austere years, you'd be mad not to consider it.

Id take celtic and Rangers, but only if the other Scottish clubs were also given the chance.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

This is not exactly news, it is a proposal made three months ago for consideration by Football League clubs only and to be discussed at, I believe, their 2017 AGM.

There is no apparent interest among those clubs to include Celtic, Rangers or any other Scottish clubs and it is hard to see why there would be.

The link provided by DfT seems to be nothing more than wishful thinking and contrary to the wishes of the Scottish football authorities who are unwilling to sanction a GB team for the Olympics for fear of losing their national team's standing. A move to include Scottish clubs within the English pyramid would only add to this problem.

UEFA and FIFA accept the situation with regard to Welsh clubs as this has existed for almost a century. It is doubtful that it would be sanctioned these days.

 

[Kellfire]

Imagine the issues over employing foreign workers were Scotland to get independence and join the EU...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Imagine the issues over employing foreign workers were Scotland to get independence and join the EU...

Nae bother at a' Celtic and Rangers will just move their business address to Preston whilst keeping their business in Glasgow.
Scottish league teams would of course still be within the EU and have access to all the European players, unlike the English league.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Bit ironic. I'm looking forward to a quote from Nicola Sturgeon on the matter

Personally I can't see the English clubs agreeing to it. Life is hard enough for them to go through the divisions without adding two Scottish teams into the system. Whether Celtic or Rangers want to come, they may not, probably wont come in to it. The English clubs wont vote for them it come in. Add to them various other complications, yes I know two Welsh clubs are in the league but this is new and you are crossing national boundaries.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

hmmmmm I see Wrexham beat York at the weekend.

 

[virtuocity]

where would that leave the Scottish football league?

It would leave the mass majority of non 'Old Firm' fans delighted, FINALLY force change to the league structure (as our current bosses are so scared of upsetting the Glasgow teams) and we can get back to enjoying a sectarian-free, competitive league.

 

[Grogger]

hmmmmm I see Wrexham beat York at the weekend.

Yeah?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why just Celtic and Rangers though? Surely Hearts or Aberdeen etc have as much right as the Old Firm?
Unless of course it's not about footballing reasons and purely gate receipts.
Personally think it's an insult to the rest of Scottish Football.
What if (and everyone will say no chance) either of them finished bottom of the 5th Division, were are they relegated to? Because I would imagine teams will be trying to be promoted.
The only way this would ever work would be to have a GB FA and everyone had a fair chance for promotion and relegation. (Absolute no chance of this)

 

[Deleted member 18588]

hmmmmm I see Wrexham beat York at the weekend.

See post #7.

Like Cardiff, Newport and Swansea, Wrexham have been part of the English pyramid for over 90 years. Don't imagine it would be sanctioned these days.

In any event why on earth would the English League clubs vote for it. No interest among most of their supporters and no financial benefit to the clubs.

Complete non-starter.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

See post #7.

Like Cardiff, Newport and Swansea, Wrexham have been part of the English pyramid for over 90 years. Don't imagine it would be sanctioned these days.

In any event why on earth would the English League clubs vote for it. No interest among most of their supporters and no financial benefit to the clubs.

Complete non-starter.

I was replying to #10 so four then not two.
Thanks for reminding me i had totally forgotten about Newport.:lol:

To answer your question..........MONEY.
That is all football seems interested in.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It would leave the mass majority of non 'Old Firm' fans delighted, FINALLY force change to the league structure (as our current bosses are so scared of upsetting the Glasgow teams) and we can get back to enjoying a sectarian-free, competitive league.

Many many Scottish fitba fans would agree with that.

Out of interest ....anyone know which Scottish team had the second biggest crowd on Saturday?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I was replying to #10 so four then not two.
Thanks for reminding me i had totally forgotten about Newport.:lol:

To answer your question..........MONEY.
That is all football seems interested in.

MONEY....... for whom?

Not the English clubs who would have to agree to the unwelcome guests.

If Celtic or Rangers need more money it is up to them and Scottish football to generate it, not the responsibility of English football. I speak as a long suffering supporter of an English Championship club and I have yet to meet anyone in England who has any interest in the Old Firm clubs joining the league.

 

[Grogger]

See post #7.

Like Cardiff, Newport and Swansea, Wrexham have been part of the English pyramid for over 90 years. Don't imagine it would be sanctioned these days.

In any event why on earth would the English League clubs vote for it. No interest among most of their supporters and no financial benefit to the clubs.

Complete non-starter.

Not sure Wrexham would have a say unless they got promoted back into the football league before then?

Having said that if they were given a choice I'm sure they'd be up for it along with a few other non league clubs who could be guaranteed football league status in the newly proposed league 3

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Not sure Wrexham would have a say unless they got promoted back into the football league before then?

Having said that if they were given a choice I'm sure they'd be up for it along with a few other non league clubs who could be guaranteed football league status in the newly proposed league 3

Wrexham are in the National League which is part of the "pyramid", i.e. it is effectively in Division 5.