4 'Home' clubs?

[Beware-the-3putt]

I am aware of a member of my club that has additional memberships.

Upon inspection, it appears that each club has an exact handicap for him and none of the clubs have him down as 'Away'.

His actual playing handicap is the same at each, however the exact differs at each.

Are there implications due to this member not having sorted this?

 

[pbrown7582]

Does this mean he has 4 CDH numbers? Or is it just the results aren't sync'd at all the clubs.

Welcome aboard by the way.

 

[Beware-the-3putt]

Thanks.

I don't really know the guy so I don't know about the CDH numbers.

Members of the committee have been made aware but nothing has changed. He has played ties and is due to play a semi final for one of our club teams and it was mentioned this may come back to bite us as his handicap is not really being administered properly. Someone said it's his responsibility. As he has been a member at our club for a couple of years and a member elsewhere longer, I'm surprised nothing has happened before now.

 

[Doh]

Also need to be aware if he has played in the same comp for another club.

 

[rulefan]

Thanks.

I don't really know the guy so I don't know about the CDH numbers.

Members of the committee have been made aware but nothing has changed. He has played ties and is due to play a semi final for one of our club teams and it was mentioned this may come back to bite us as his handicap is not really being administered properly. Someone said it's his responsibility. As he has been a member at our club for a couple of years and a member elsewhere longer, I'm surprised nothing has happened before now.

It is also the responsibility of the relevant clubs and county.

The player must:
8. Have one Exact Handicap only which must be allotted and adjusted by his Home Club and produce,
if so required, a current, validated CONGU® Handicap Certificate and/or valid CDH ID Number.
The Playing Handicap calculated from this Exact Handicap shall apply elsewhere including other
clubs of which the player is a Member.
8.2 If he is aMember of more than one Aff iliated Club, select one as his Home Club and notify that club
and the others of his choice and supply each away club his Home Club CDH ID Number.

 

[Beware-the-3putt]

Thanks Rulefan,

As I've mentioned, this has been pointed out to our Committee but this was months ago and nothing has changed, so I would assume the next step would be to highlight this to the county, which I will be doing.

In the meantime nothing seems to give details of the consequences of failing to do this. Should his handicap be suspended until there is one 'Home' club established and the others marked 'Away'?

I'd hate to think his failings and the failings of our Committee cost the team a potential final place. Then on top if that there are board comps which he may be in breach of rules prior to playing.

Doh, he may well have played for the other team but surely he would assume this was a no, no!

 

[rulefan]

Suspension would be up to the county but they would have to know what his reasons were.

 

[duncan mackie]

Thanks Rulefan,

As I've mentioned, this has been pointed out to our Committee but this was months ago and nothing has changed, so I would assume the next step would be to highlight this to the county, which I will be doing.

In the meantime nothing seems to give details of the consequences of failing to do this. Should his handicap be suspended until there is one 'Home' club established and the others marked 'Away'?

I'd hate to think his failings and the failings of our Committee cost the team a potential final place. Then on top if that there are board comps which he may be in breach of rules prior to playing.

Doh, he may well have played for the other team but surely he would assume this was a no, no!

Without knowing the rules of the matches it's difficult to predict if the designation of home club is relevant to eligibility - used to be but most have now dropped it as irrelevant and administration only.

On the actions of your HC - as long as you have put it in writing to them just ask for a written response; if you haven't then put it in writing to the main committee chairman with a concern over the possible impact on the club as a whole when the golf union get involved.

 

[Beware-the-3putt]

Thanks Duncan.

 

[Old Skier]

In all our county matches you can only play for the club/team where your handicap is maintained.

There is something seriously wrong with ALL of this guys clubs admin that he belongs to.

 

[Foxholer]

Have you considered asking the guy himself what he is doing about it?

Or whether he even knows he has a responsibility to do so?

 

[Old Skier]

Have you considered asking the guy himself what he is doing about it?

Or whether he even knows he has a responsibility to do so?

Agree to an extent however the clubs where he is AWAY have a responsibility for notifying his home club of any relevant scores.

 

[Foxholer]

Agree to an extent however the clubs where he is AWAY have a responsibility for notifying his home club of any relevant scores.

Er...How would they know that they are an 'Away' club?! And which club is the 'Home' one!

The player is the one who defines that! And it may not be the club they play most at - it wasn't when I was a member of 2 (3 for a while) clubs!

But, otherwise, certainly agree. Once the relationship is set up, the notification is generally pretty automatic too!

 

[Beware-the-3putt]

Have you considered asking the guy himself what he is doing about it?

Or whether he even knows he has a responsibility to do so?

I would find it slightly awkward walking up to someone I don't know and introducing myself and saying, by the way what's the deal with you having 4 home clubs? You need to sort this. I am not aware of him playing many medals (think he played one medal last year) so would probably need to actually phone him.

I am more unhappy with the Committee at my club than the individual as they should be up to speed with this information but have seemingly ignored it. I can only assume however that he is oblivious to his responsibility.

He won the singles competitions at our club and another club last year and this was highlighted on our Facebook page, so I've no idea why nobody has addressed this before now.

 

[Old Skier]

Er...How would they know that they are an 'Away' club?! And which club is the 'Home' one!
!

Apologies miss read the original post, thought it read 4 away clubs.

Best way really is to report it to county and let them deal with it.

 

[Old Skier]

I would find it slightly awkward walking up to someone I don't know and introducing myself and saying, by the way what's the deal with you having 4 home clubs? You need to sort this. I am not aware of him playing many medals (think he played one medal last year) so would probably need to actually phone him.

I am more unhappy with the Committee at my club than the individual as they should be up to speed with this information but have seemingly ignored it. I can only assume however that he is oblivious to his responsibility.

He won the singles competitions at our club and another club last year and this was highlighted on our Facebook page, so I've no idea why nobody has addressed this before now.

If he only played one medal last year how is he able to enter club or county comps. He won't have a "c" handicap.

 

[Beware-the-3putt]

If he only played one medal last year how is he able to enter club or county comps. He won't have a "c" handicap.

He didn't have a "c" handicap at the beginning of the season but it changed. He hasn't played any medals at my club this year so I can only assume he handed in a couple of cards. Not privy to that info tho.

Our Committee are a bit of a shambles to be honest. It wouldn't surprise me if he just said to them "I played medals at my other clubs" and they made it a "c" handicap without asking, "well why on earth are we not getting notification about these scores?".

I think notifying the county is the way to go. Our Committee do not look favourably on being questioned about anything they do.

 

[Foxholer]

I would find it slightly awkward walking up to someone I don't know and introducing myself and saying, by the way what's the deal with you having 4 home clubs? You need to sort this. I am not aware of him playing many medals (think he played one medal last year) so would probably need to actually phone him.

I am more unhappy with the Committee at my club than the individual as they should be up to speed with this information but have seemingly ignored it. I can only assume however that he is oblivious to his responsibility.

He won the singles competitions at our club and another club last year and this was highlighted on our Facebook page, so I've no idea why nobody has addressed this before now.

Quite understandable. But you should have no qualms about approaching - or writing to/emailing - your Handicap Secretery/Chairman, whose job it is to sort out such situations! If that gets ignored, then, as Old Skier posted, contacting your County will get a result as the club(s) will be told to sort it out! Clubs don't actually 'own' the right to maintain handicaps - they are delegated that authority from Counties/Areas who are in turn delegated it from Unions and Congu, so Clubs need to do as they are told once County/Area gets involved!

It will still be up to the player to decide which Club is his home one though - and notify all of them about each other (at least the away ones). If he has 4 (or more than 1) CDH numbers, that needs to be resolved too.

 

[Beware-the-3putt]

Thank you Foxholer.

I'll email the club and see what the response is and then involve the county if they do not resolve the situation.

 

[rulefan]

It will still be up to the player to decide which Club is his home one though - and notify all of them about each other (at least the away ones). If he has 4 (or more than 1) CDH numbers, that needs to be resolved too.

This is a big problem for CDH admin. Many players do not realise they must keep clubs informed when the leave and/or join clubs.
I get about one case a week where it is found that a player has two CDH IDs. Sometimes at the same club!!!
If the player is playing in comps with both IDs the ramifications of getting his correct playing record and handicap sorted out are horrendous. However, the actual work goes back the the handicap secretaries after we have worked out what to do.
One of the directions to the secs is to give the player a b*llo*king. The other is to remind them to ask all the questions of new members, including 'are you or were you a member of another club?'
Beware could perhaps ask his secretary if he ever does that.