Sparkybbmews
Newbie
A 36 hole comp. played over 2 consecutive days. Entry fee and sign in on the first day. Because of a bad first round score or bad weather you do not turn up for the second round. Should your handicap increase 0.1? Thanks
36 hole competition
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MendieGK
Tour Winner
No.
rulefan
Tour Winner
No.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Just for clarification - you do mean the second 0.1 in respect of the round you don't play?
If so I agree with the others.
You should get a single 0.1 increase in respect of the round played
If so I agree with the others.
You should get a single 0.1 increase in respect of the round played
Sparkybbmews
Newbie
In respect to the second round. If I book in, pay, collect my card and then go home for any round would I increase? No return? Withdraw? No show? Etc. all increased by the software so why not the second round ? To administer the close of comp. the cards missing have to be entered.
rulefan
Tour Winner
No shows should be dealt with by a club disciplinary code not the handicapping system
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duncan mackie
Money List Winner
With respect all the software programs should have the appropriate mechanisms to correctly process the action for handicapping - whether they are used or not is a club action (and many do tend to use a single action -NR- even when it's not the correct one).
All this does take time and effort by those administering the competition; and players don't tend to help a lot either. In the situation you have outlined at the very minimum the player should return his card with "withdrawn" on it. A note to the competition sec explaining what happened would be even better.
As Rulefan posted, such actions and their consequences are a matter for the club's disciplinary code and handicap adjustments are never a penalty to be applied by them.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
As to original question.
The club is allowed to run a comp where the handicap for the first round remains the same for the second round however if you play in another comp in the intervening period, e.g. you may be playing in the stroke play comp in the morning and decide to play a matchplay comp in the afternoon/evening you have to play from the handicap adjusted by the first round.
I would add that you are not allowed to self adjust upwards but must self adjust downwards if the CSS has not been published prior to playing in the second comp.
The club is allowed to run a comp where the handicap for the first round remains the same for the second round however if you play in another comp in the intervening period, e.g. you may be playing in the stroke play comp in the morning and decide to play a matchplay comp in the afternoon/evening you have to play from the handicap adjusted by the first round.
I would add that you are not allowed to self adjust upwards but must self adjust downwards if the CSS has not been published prior to playing in the second comp.
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rulefan
Tour Winner
The former is a CONGU option, the latter a CONGU rule.
Colin L
Tour Winner
Book in, pay, collect your card and then disappear? I'd consider that a DQ for not being ready to play at your start time - treated as a nil return and a 0.1 on your handicap [CONGU Manual Appendix P]
It's also messing* people around, particularly the other two in your group. And what if two in a group do the same? The third player is left on the tee with no-one to play with, no-one to mark his card and someone is left with the extra chore of finding another time for him and maybe a marker. More of a nuisance probably than a no-show.
*That's just the polite word in consideration of the tender sensibilities of forum readers.
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rulefan
Tour Winner
Yes, I would agree if the player has booked in/signed in for the round, 0.1.
But if he has simply not checked in, no entry.
We normally give players their second round card on recording their first round score.
If they say then, they are not playing - that is a WD. No disciplinary penalty and no 0.1
If they simply do not appear on the tee 6-3 and 0.1 (unless RO).
If they simply don't turn up for the first round, that is a 'no show'. Possible disciplinary action, no 0.1.
