2 Competitions at Once

[Deleted member 16999]

Yesterday we held a full handicap Individual qualifying Stroke Comp off the whites, The Comp runs all day and you can either book in advance or rock up and enter on the day.
Every Sunday the Tee is booked 12-1 for the Ladies Comp.
Yesterday we also had a member book a Charity Event between 1 & 3, the Charity event was stableford full handicap and off the whites.
Some of the members playing in the Charity event tried to pay to enter the Club Comp at the same time and simply enter 2 cards. They were refused and were told you can't enter 2 Comps at once.
However, as one was a qualifier and one a non-qualifier should they been allowed to enter the Club comp.
To slightly complicate matters, one of the members played in the Club Comp in the morning and then the Charity event in the afternoon and nothing was said, even though they knew he was doing this.
Could Club members of played in the afternoon and entered 2 cards?

 

[Old Skier]

Playing a comp within a comp is verboten. Your man who played (I presume) the exact same course also broke the rules, hope he didn't win anything. And to cap it all if the charity comp was full handicap of a measured course it should have been a qualifier.

3 in one - not bad.

 

[duncan mackie]

No fundamental reason why not.

The real question becomes " is their any reason why a player in the club competition cannot also pay his entry to the charity event and return his score to that event as well?"

At this point it's obvious that there isn't. Any issue would lie with the rules of the charity event. In the same way the charity event rules would have needed to waive the conditions of rule 7 in respect of the gentleman who played twice - if they hadn't he should have been DQ.

Even if the charity event was a Q event, as long as they are all played on the same course it could be accommodated - a little care with CSS calc (one) would be needed but that's all (there's no fundamental difference to running gross and nett, divisions etc within one event.

 

[duncan mackie]

Playing a comp within a comp is verboten.

Really - where's this set out?

We effectively do it a lot of times - example would be things like H4H events run in conjunction with monthly medal, PGA qualifier in conjunction etc etc Entry to club event compulsory but there may be a subset entry to the other event.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No fundamental reason why not.

The real question becomes " is their any reason why a player in the club competition cannot also pay his entry to the charity event and return his score to that event as well?"

At this point it's obvious that there isn't. Any issue would lie with the rules of the charity event. In the same way the charity event rules would have needed to waive the conditions of rule 7 in respect of the gentleman who played twice - if they hadn't he should have been DQ.

Even if the charity event was a Q event, as long as they are all played on the same course it could be accommodated - a little care with CSS calc (one) would be needed but that's all (there's no fundamental difference to running gross and nett, divisions etc within one event.

Cheers, No issue with the Charity guys, the more the merrier as far as they were concerned.

 

[guest100718]

Really - where's this set out?

We effectively do it a lot of times - example would be things like H4H events run in conjunction with monthly medal, PGA qualifier in conjunction etc etc Entry to club event compulsory but there may be a subset entry to the other event.

perhaps he was reffering to combining matchplay and stroke play?

 

[Colin L]

Perhaps it was just a club rule. The first round of our stroke play championship (36 holes) is also the only round for our Seniors Stroke play (18 holes) and the first round of our Youth Strokeplay (36 holes). Seniors and Youths can enter both the club stroke play and their own championship and indeed can win both.

 

[Old Skier]

Every days a learning day.

 

[Foxholer]

Every days a learning day.

I bet you can't remember what you learnt yesterday though!

 

[Old Skier]

I bet you can't remember what you learnt yesterday though!

Yep, I learnt that booking a ski holiday without a consultation paper was not one of my best ideas.

 

[rulefan]

There would be no problem as one is simply for prizes. There is if both were qualifiers. CONGU of course really only being concerned with qualifiers.

CONGU
"When a club runs two or more separate competitions on the same day a separate
Competition Scratch Score shall normally be calculated for each competition. If, however,
all competitors in the separate competitions play from the same set of tees on a given
course and the same competition format is used, the Affiliated Club may elect to calculate
one CSS using the Single CSS Adjustment using the procedure detailed in Appendix B
(Clauses 2.1 to 2.4)."

However, it doesn't say how to deal with the one card returned by the player playing in both events at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There would be no problem as one is simply for prizes. There is if both were qualifiers. CONGU of course really only being concerned with qualifiers.

CONGU
"When a club runs two or more separate competitions on the same day a separate
Competition Scratch Score shall normally be calculated for each competition. If, however,
all competitors in the separate competitions play from the same set of tees on a given
course and the same competition format is used, the Affiliated Club may elect to calculate
one CSS using the Single CSS Adjustment using the procedure detailed in Appendix B
(Clauses 2.1 to 2.4)."

However, it doesn't say how to deal with the one card returned by the player playing in both events at the same time.

Cheers, the intention was to mark 2 cards during the one round.

 

[rulefan]

Cheers, the intention was to mark 2 cards during the one round.

That's the problem. He's only played the stipulated round once.

Even if the second part of the above is applied, there is still the problem of playing medal and stableford.