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The OP did not include the information that would have ensured that the exception to 11.1a applied. I suppose I could have said: "Agreed, but note the conditions that must exist for this exception to apply."

Agreed, but only if that other ball is at rest on the putting green and the striking ball was on the putting green before the stroke.

Or he could have gone back and searched for his original ball (for 3 minutes) and if he was lucky enough to find it, he'd be playing 4 to the green. If he doesn't find it, Duncan's analysis applies and Duncan's point about the player's partner picking up the ball is astute.

Not sure what you mean by "that ball". However, the three minute time limit applies to time spent actually searching.

Understood. If however, he hadn't corrected playing the wrong ball the result would have been the same, and given the confusion as to how to proceed, that could have been the result. He could also have simply corrected before playing the substituted ball and continued to search for his original...

My post was at best, unclear. I meant that once he realized that he did not know where his ball was, he could return to the tee and play again under 18.1, thus avoiding the wrong place penalty. That is what I meant by proceeding correctly, as 19.2/5 states, first paragraph. I admit it is highly...

Only one stroke and distance if he proceeds correctly, though.

Colin, I agree that this Interpretation can be troublesome. An important portion is this wording at the end of the first paragraph: "the player is treated as taking stroke-and-distance relief as that is the only Rule that can be used if the player has not found his or her original ball."

Yes, the last sentence of my post #38 is wrong. I was thinking correctly in #33 but then must have entered a dream state when forming that last sentence. Player B played from a wrong place and it is a serious breach, which, if not corrected will lead to a disqualification. Thanks Duncan.

Actually Colin, if you change the original situation only slightly, there is an official ruling that applies. So, if Player B declares Player A's ball unplayable and takes relief under 19.2c using a fresh ball retrieved from his bag, drops it correctly in the required relief area and then plays...

So let's say that I have been having a bad day on the golf course looking for my ball on a number of holes and I'm tired of it. I'm walking in the fairway towards where my ball should be and I don't see it. I say to heck with it, take a ball from my bag, drop it and then play it to the green. I...

Because player B took relief (preferred lie relief) with a ball not his own, he proceeded under an inapplicable rule. To proceed under the preferred lie rule he had to do so with his own ball. Therefore, in trying to make sense of his action the Committee would have concluded that the only rule...

I agree, this would be very frustrating for A. He might have made your argument to the Committee, although I doubt he would have been successful. B doesn't get off free though. He didn't play a wrong ball but he didn't play his own ball either, so he too is subject to penalty, in his case under...

Regarding player A. His provisional ball was the ball in play – Duncan has explained why. I assume that player A played his provisional ball to the green, where he would have been lying 4. He then lifted his ball in play without authority, a penalty under 9.4b and played it from a wrong place...

There is also a model local rule, D-4 that designates a modified nearest point of complete relief that avoids a drop onto and play from the fringe. So one might expect, at some courses, that the fringe of a wrong putting green is treated the same as the putting green itself via a LR. Otherwise...